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JCanete

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6. It isn't that automation is bad. In fact, in theory, destruction of the planet withstanding, this
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:50 PM
Jan 2017

sort of technology gets us closer to something Utopian, where we don't need labor to do the work that nobody wants to do...where everybody can pursue cultural enrichment or whatever their passions are...blah blah blah

The issue is that we can't expect society as it stands to address that growing unemployment. As there is less work, and people have less money, we are going to have less buying power...corporations are going to have even less incentive to hire, and ultimately, there comes a point where we are going to be entirely worthless to the elites. And they will have it all. There's no incentive to use your land for housing, or to keep it up...etc. if there's nothing to gain from it. There's no incentive to produce enough food for people, if there stops being something to gain from it. Etc.

And with increasingly powerful technology(admittedly this is sci-fi territory) it will become harder and harder to fight back if the elites decide that we can just crawl off somewhere and die. Revolution is still possible today, because hell, we still need actual soldiers who have consciouses and families to fight against revolutions...but between drones and ai, etc. I assume there will become a point where far less people need to be on board to entirely suppress the seeding of an uprising.

Not that I'm suggesting Revolution now, or that I think such a thing would be good. I'm suggesting that while the people still have a voice that has to be heard, we use it to alter the fabric of society towards something that will favor people as people over their buying power. We really need to do this soon, because I think there will come a point where its too late.

The think is that... nycbos Jan 2017 #1
Throughout history, tyrants have been able to misdirect people's anger... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #2
+++++ JHan Jan 2017 #8
When does Rollerball start? n/t Hestia Jan 2017 #3
it seems to me that in a sensible society, increasing automation would be a good thing anarch Jan 2017 #4
It isn't that automation is bad. In fact, in theory, destruction of the planet withstanding, this JCanete Jan 2017 #6
agreed: JHan Jan 2017 #9
Protectionism would have been good a long time ago, when we could have set labor standards JCanete Jan 2017 #5
Well we had an opportunity with the TPP... JHan Jan 2017 #12
The notion that TPP is good and that protectionism is bad, is predicated on assumptions that JCanete Jan 2017 #15
However... JHan Jan 2017 #16
there is a vast difference between expecting other countries to be as finicky? as us* JCanete Jan 2017 #17
You cannot make those kinds of judgments for other countries.. JHan Jan 2017 #18
I'm not sure how tarrifs would be lecturing. They would be much more about making us JCanete Jan 2017 #19
Tariffs have forever failed: JHan Jan 2017 #20
Tariffs have failed for who, when, how? How were they implemented and what was their intention? JCanete Jan 2017 #21
Again.. JHan Jan 2017 #22
unless you can demonstrate that language in the thing would have done something other than JCanete Jan 2017 #23
No trade agreement will be liked by everyone... JHan Jan 2017 #24
This is precisely what TPP was about. joshcryer Jan 2017 #7
Drumpfy can try to outlaw automation. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #10
Thank you for this, JH Cha Jan 2017 #11
Truck drivers, taxi, Uber, cashiers, fast food workers, who am I leaving out? sarcasmo Jan 2017 #13
Hedge Fund managers potentially... lol.. JHan Jan 2017 #14
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