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JHan

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16. However...
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 08:29 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Mon Jan 23, 2017, 09:01 PM - Edit history (1)

"And again, what about the environment? What about the Sierra Club's objections that this was going to lock us and other nations into behaviors that were exploiting and destroying the environment, due to the threat of litigation for changing policies that affected businesses? These are impacts that we can never ever undo. Once arable land is destroyed, or water poisoned, or species eradicated...etc. That's it. "


.. the deal would not have infringed on the rights of states to pass laws for the common good (including the environment). The TPP tried to fix the problems with NAFTA and threat of litigation because of trade infringement. There were a lot of criticisms about the deal prior to the text being made available, and once available, some of the concerns were addressed.

And no trade deal can cover environment concerns perfectly. Realistically we can't expect countries that solely depend on natural resource extraction ( for example) to be as finicky about the environment as we are... We can't make agreements on imagined alternatives. For the benefit of the planet, everyone has to be lifted out of poverty. What you see as "Exploitation" another worker with less options in another country would see it as an opportunity, even if not ideal. With the TPP the union provision was the right direction to prevent shameless exploitation. Was it perfect? No.

We can't have it both ways either - raising living standards in other countries puts them on the path of prosperity. We can't want to improve their lot and still be worried about them benefiting from this wealth and increasing leverage.

The think is that... nycbos Jan 2017 #1
Throughout history, tyrants have been able to misdirect people's anger... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #2
+++++ JHan Jan 2017 #8
When does Rollerball start? n/t Hestia Jan 2017 #3
it seems to me that in a sensible society, increasing automation would be a good thing anarch Jan 2017 #4
It isn't that automation is bad. In fact, in theory, destruction of the planet withstanding, this JCanete Jan 2017 #6
agreed: JHan Jan 2017 #9
Protectionism would have been good a long time ago, when we could have set labor standards JCanete Jan 2017 #5
Well we had an opportunity with the TPP... JHan Jan 2017 #12
The notion that TPP is good and that protectionism is bad, is predicated on assumptions that JCanete Jan 2017 #15
However... JHan Jan 2017 #16
there is a vast difference between expecting other countries to be as finicky? as us* JCanete Jan 2017 #17
You cannot make those kinds of judgments for other countries.. JHan Jan 2017 #18
I'm not sure how tarrifs would be lecturing. They would be much more about making us JCanete Jan 2017 #19
Tariffs have forever failed: JHan Jan 2017 #20
Tariffs have failed for who, when, how? How were they implemented and what was their intention? JCanete Jan 2017 #21
Again.. JHan Jan 2017 #22
unless you can demonstrate that language in the thing would have done something other than JCanete Jan 2017 #23
No trade agreement will be liked by everyone... JHan Jan 2017 #24
This is precisely what TPP was about. joshcryer Jan 2017 #7
Drumpfy can try to outlaw automation. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #10
Thank you for this, JH Cha Jan 2017 #11
Truck drivers, taxi, Uber, cashiers, fast food workers, who am I leaving out? sarcasmo Jan 2017 #13
Hedge Fund managers potentially... lol.. JHan Jan 2017 #14
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