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JCanete

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17. there is a vast difference between expecting other countries to be as finicky? as us*
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 09:18 PM
Jan 2017

and improving their lives by getting them into the game of destroying the planet and furthering this supply-side race to the bottom. Without that industrialization to give us the crap we want to consume, yes, we would need a different model to lift nations out of poverty. It's not like we don't have the resources though. The issue is that we are entirely committed to this model, in no small part because the people who benefit most from it keep telling us why it's so damn great.

* of course as individuals in America, we have the single highest carbon footprint on the planet--actually china might have surpassed us finally, but so much of their footprint also belongs to us. It is ours to own through our massive consumption and waste.

While we're talking about things like BIG, we should be expanding that out not just as a national program, but as part of a social safety net that in whatever appropriate iteration should be done globally.

The think is that... nycbos Jan 2017 #1
Throughout history, tyrants have been able to misdirect people's anger... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #2
+++++ JHan Jan 2017 #8
When does Rollerball start? n/t Hestia Jan 2017 #3
it seems to me that in a sensible society, increasing automation would be a good thing anarch Jan 2017 #4
It isn't that automation is bad. In fact, in theory, destruction of the planet withstanding, this JCanete Jan 2017 #6
agreed: JHan Jan 2017 #9
Protectionism would have been good a long time ago, when we could have set labor standards JCanete Jan 2017 #5
Well we had an opportunity with the TPP... JHan Jan 2017 #12
The notion that TPP is good and that protectionism is bad, is predicated on assumptions that JCanete Jan 2017 #15
However... JHan Jan 2017 #16
there is a vast difference between expecting other countries to be as finicky? as us* JCanete Jan 2017 #17
You cannot make those kinds of judgments for other countries.. JHan Jan 2017 #18
I'm not sure how tarrifs would be lecturing. They would be much more about making us JCanete Jan 2017 #19
Tariffs have forever failed: JHan Jan 2017 #20
Tariffs have failed for who, when, how? How were they implemented and what was their intention? JCanete Jan 2017 #21
Again.. JHan Jan 2017 #22
unless you can demonstrate that language in the thing would have done something other than JCanete Jan 2017 #23
No trade agreement will be liked by everyone... JHan Jan 2017 #24
This is precisely what TPP was about. joshcryer Jan 2017 #7
Drumpfy can try to outlaw automation. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #10
Thank you for this, JH Cha Jan 2017 #11
Truck drivers, taxi, Uber, cashiers, fast food workers, who am I leaving out? sarcasmo Jan 2017 #13
Hedge Fund managers potentially... lol.. JHan Jan 2017 #14
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