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22. We seem to be arguing two sides of the same coin.
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 06:15 PM
Feb 2017

I have always thought that employers who hire undocumented workers are the root problem...turn off the jobs magnet, and do it in a way that employers are held accountable, and jailed for hiring those not entitled to hold a job in America.

That then begs the question...which comes first, something like E-Verify with some serious teeth, or trying to provide relief to some 11 Million undocumented immigrants. As an American struggling to keep my own head above water, I want to see the jobs magnet turned off first, then comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship. It's hard to ask people who are suffering themselves to set their own issues aside so that the nation can help others from a different country who are suffering as well. Seems a bit unfair from my perspective...all this talk about generosity of heart, all this talk of helping others who come here for a better life, but what about those who are here, were born here who don't have that better life, most times not of their own making.

As the old expression says, "Charity starts at home." We have a lot of Americans who are struggling to stay afloat, either can't find a job, or are working at a job that pays starvation wages...I side with giving them a helping hand up the ladder, then once their stabilized, once we have taken care of our own, reach out a helping hand to others around the world as we are able. You might disagree with that, but tell me...if you are out of work, if you can't pay your bills, how are you going to be able to help someone else up the ladder if doing so is going to keep you treading water at the bottom of the well?

Being accused in this whole thread of espousing Right Wing views...think it is short sighted and unfair to assume that all Democrats, all progressives march in lockstep on every issue. Our views on some subjects are directly shaped by our own experiences good or bad. I happen to be one of those who has paid a cost from unchecked illegal immigration into our country, and though I am sympathetic to those wanting a better life, have issues if their better life means me giving up mine. I am suggesting there is an answer, a pathway forward to comprehensive immigration, but that compromise can only occur when all parties have a voice at the table...even when some disagree with that voice.

Immigration Reform A Very Cloudy Issue [View all] The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 OP
These are desperate human beings in search of a better life. libtodeath Feb 2017 #1
I get that they are desperate people... The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #2
More accurately, 'what about the Americans who are offering them the opportunity LanternWaste Feb 2017 #3
Read my original post.... The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #5
Then push for their ability to participate in our system so they have a say in their economic libtodeath Feb 2017 #6
Not to be a contrarian... The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #9
You have hit about all the rw talking points. libtodeath Feb 2017 #10
Truth is Truth. The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #12
Forget it. They refuse to listen TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2017 #20
If you wish to understand my perspective... The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #23
+1 SecularMotion Feb 2017 #4
There are desperate human beings all over the world TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2017 #7
Sorry,I want less worry about man made borders and more compassion and humanity. libtodeath Feb 2017 #8
More compassion? The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #11
Then forget about social programs like childcare and healthcare TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2017 #21
I have to imagine that most of the laws were put in place for good reason. jmg257 Feb 2017 #13
Where is your evidence for immigrants taking jobs from Americans? alarimer Feb 2017 #14
The OP is pretty transparent isnt it? libtodeath Feb 2017 #16
Just because you don't like facts does not make them RW Talking Points. The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #17
You have yet to list any facts. alarimer Feb 2017 #19
We seem to be arguing two sides of the same coin. The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #22
It IS complicated but there IS a lie about taking some jobs from Americans... Phentex Feb 2017 #15
Which comes first.... The_Voice_of_Reason Feb 2017 #18
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