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MineralMan

(146,319 posts)
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 02:31 PM Mar 2017

Millions of people voted against their own interests in 2016. All are not "Assholes." [View all]

They made a stupid decision. Now, what do we do? Do we attack them with name-calling? They're going to soon realize that they're not going to get what they thought they were. Some are already realizing that. So, do we call them "stupid assholes" and write them off?

I don't think that is a good idea at all. People respond to being called names in a negative way. We don't help ourselves by adding to their disappointment.

I can guarantee that we will not change the voting pattern of a majority of those who voted stupidly and against their own best interests, but we don't need to. We only need to convince a minority of those voters to think harder before the next election and vote for their own benefit, rather than against it. Just a minority.

But, that will take not yelling and screaming at them for being "stupid assholes." What it will take is for us to talk to the people we actually know who made those mistakes. Those are the only people we have a chance to reach. And we don't have to reach them all, by any means. If just 10% of the people who voted against their own interests had voted for Democratic candidates in 2016, we'd have had a landslide victory, instead of a loss.

So, belay the ugly name-calling. As people begin to see the negative impacts of a Trump administration and a Republican Congress, talk to people you know who are affected. Be calm about it and don't be accusatory of those people you know. They will realize that things aren't working out and that they voted for the wrong people. That opens a door of opportunity.

Instead, talk to them about the direction things are going, and compare that with how things could have gone had the other side won. Show them as simply and calmly as you can how correcting the problems could be done. And keep talking until 2018 and 2020. If a person turns out to be a genuine asshole, forget that person. Focus on those who will listen to you at least a little.

Remember, we don't need to convert everyone, just a small minority of those who voted against their own interests in 2016. Work on those who have been hurt by Trump and the Republicans. Help them, if you can, to find ways around the problems and help them understand what and why it happened.

Convert 10% and we'll win in a landslide in 2018 and 2020. But, we won't convert anyone if we call them all stupid assholes. That trick never works.

Thanks for reading.

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Fuck them. Appeal to the nonvoters. End of story n/t leftstreet Mar 2017 #1
+1 n/t jaysunb Mar 2017 #13
Exactly. mreilly Mar 2017 #14
I think persuading the non-voters might be easier than trying to convince mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #16
I have talked with Trump voters who don't care about hate crimes, think protestors are being paid TeamPooka Mar 2017 #25
Agreed. Trump made it clear that he is evil and they voted for them. lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #36
+ another 1. COLGATE4 Mar 2017 #39
I 100% disagree. Agschmid Mar 2017 #66
They aren't mutually exclusive. You can appeal to nonvoters AND target certain micro sections KittyWampus Mar 2017 #68
A certain microsection that would willingly vote for a con man that grabs women by the pussy? kcr Mar 2017 #72
In terms of "fixing stupid", Trump is taking care of his voters for us... Barack_America Mar 2017 #88
If they are now loudly denouncing the traitor then I wont call them assholes, Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #2
Ignore them. Wait for them to come to us with their mea culpa. LonePirate Mar 2017 #3
This thread is going to get an avalanche of responses True Dough Mar 2017 #4
No doubt you're right. It's already started. MineralMan Mar 2017 #6
I agree with you... Blanks Mar 2017 #86
Oh, OK, then. MineralMan Mar 2017 #5
Half the country doesn't vote BeyondGeography Mar 2017 #7
The non-voters are notoriously hard to convince to go to the polls. MineralMan Mar 2017 #11
agree somewhat NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #38
Yes, turnout was down, percentage-wise. MineralMan Mar 2017 #52
Number of voters was up from 2012, though NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #58
There will be plenty of buyers remorse BeyondGeography Mar 2017 #50
No, they are. They knew damn well what they were doing when they voted for Trump. Initech Mar 2017 #8
Those people need to be called names and shamed for their stupidity. standingtall Mar 2017 #9
I have found MFM008 Mar 2017 #10
Most, but not all. MineralMan Mar 2017 #12
They are brainwashed...SERIOUSLY! LOL Lib Mar 2017 #15
I admire your convictions but... mreilly Mar 2017 #17
When the pain of their vote hits them in the pocketbook taught_me_patience Mar 2017 #18
Well .. ananda Mar 2017 #19
My Dad voted for * maxsolomon Mar 2017 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Mar 2017 #21
Nah. Fuck those stupid assholes. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #22
Well, based on the replies so far, I think we're screwed! MineralMan Mar 2017 #23
Thanks Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #24
With great respect, MM mac56 Mar 2017 #26
Reminding them elections have "consequences" perhaps will open their minds next time... Historic NY Mar 2017 #27
They're either idiots or assholes. Iggo Mar 2017 #28
this. Why must we confine ourselves to only pursuing one group or the other? bench scientist Mar 2017 #64
Agreed. Snackshack Mar 2017 #29
I'm not encouraged by the responses. Truly I'm not. MineralMan Mar 2017 #30
You're courting a strategically worthless demographic leftstreet Mar 2017 #41
Me either. Snackshack Mar 2017 #45
I don't want to say, "Told ya so..." True Dough Mar 2017 #63
It doesn't really matter if they are assholes or not Phoenix61 Mar 2017 #31
The choice was clear, they chose unwisely, mostly out of hate and fear. nt Blue_true Mar 2017 #32
Fuck 'em. nt LexVegas Mar 2017 #33
I don't call them names sagetea Mar 2017 #34
Better! (To me.) Grins Mar 2017 #35
We don't have to convert anyone RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #37
My work associates, friends and family voted for Trump Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #40
You are more tolerant than me. drray23 Mar 2017 #85
Sorry. I'm not giving a handy to every Trump supporter who now feels betrayed by him. Aristus Mar 2017 #42
And this same advice applies equally well to the various guillaumeb Mar 2017 #43
They knew exactly what they were voting for. Freedomofspeech Mar 2017 #44
The best we can hope for is that a large portion Charles Bukowski Mar 2017 #46
True! get the red out Mar 2017 #47
Any one person who was aware of the business dealings and mysogenistic actions of the twit randr Mar 2017 #48
This is a bit of a strawman argument. progressoid Mar 2017 #49
agree don't waste time on the scammed people. Focus on what todays Republicans say & do, call them Sunlei Mar 2017 #51
Aren't we even allowed to say, dchill Mar 2017 #53
You're allowed to say any thing you wish, of course. MineralMan Mar 2017 #54
I do, but you gotta admit... dchill Mar 2017 #55
Indeed. Turbineguy Mar 2017 #56
Not So Sure They Should Get Off Scot Free colsohlibgal Mar 2017 #57
Knock yourself out . . . hatrack Mar 2017 #59
If they want to turn away from their wicked ways I will embrace them. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #60
Yes, We keep reminding them.. coco22 Mar 2017 #61
Sorry, they are assholes. My family is some of them. We need to get unregistered registered adigal Mar 2017 #62
That went well, wouldn't you say MineralMan? frankieallen Mar 2017 #65
I won't use the "A-word" but I will call them racists. n/t Coventina Mar 2017 #67
I have yet to see a remorseful Trumpsky supporter. Atman Mar 2017 #69
Since I always respect your posts, I took a little time to think ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #70
Enough with the handwringing over the poor Trump voters and their feelings. kcr Mar 2017 #71
OK. But don't be surprised if they keep on winning. MineralMan Mar 2017 #74
If they keep on winning it's because we ignore the real reasons kcr Mar 2017 #87
I don't know it's almost like you have to wait for the bottom to fall out before they'll listen TNLib Mar 2017 #73
Anecdotal. Your mother didn't vote, and probably won't. MineralMan Mar 2017 #76
Very True, but DU is largely here to vent. Especially General Discussion. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #75
Venting is fine. I do it, too. MineralMan Mar 2017 #77
Convert? You cannot convert a person who voted for a bigoted racist sexual predator who loves a Lint Head Mar 2017 #78
If you can have Trump arrested, please do. MineralMan Mar 2017 #79
How about this, focus on the 47% who didn't vote. Those who voted still_one Mar 2017 #80
Yes. That's what I've been doing since 1960. Every election, I manage to convince MineralMan Mar 2017 #82
I read your replies above MM, which maintains that same view. My point is still_one Mar 2017 #84
Oh Yes They Are! bitterross Mar 2017 #81
I always go back to Howard Dean's inartful statement about people with confederate flags & their kid loyalsister Mar 2017 #83
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