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Showing Original Post only (View all)Moore and Krugman piss on the ACA decision [View all]
I know that our side is not used to victories and so we're not quite sure how to respond when we get one out of the blue. For some of us, the first inclination is to point out just how weak the Obama law actually is, that it doesn't provide true universal health care (26 million will STILL be uninsured), and that it leaves control of the system in the hands of the vultures, otherwise known as the health insurance companies. The individual mandate was a huge gift to the private insurance companies, guaranteeing them billions more from millions of new customers. And many of the key provisions of this law don't even take effect until 2014 and if the Republicans win in November, you can kiss all of that goodbye.http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/more-victory-decision-today-was-mandate-us-act
So, yes, the bill is highly flawed and somewhat wrong-headed...
So the law that the Supreme Court upheld is an act of human decency that is also fiscally responsible. Its not perfect, by a long shot it is, after all, originally a Republican plan, devised long ago as a way to forestall the obvious alternative of extending Medicare to cover everyone. As a result, its an awkward hybrid of public and private insurance that isnt the way anyone would have designed a system from scratch. And there will be a long struggle to make it better, just as there was for Social Security. (Bring back the public option!) But its still a big step toward a better and by that I mean morally better society.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/opinion/the-real-winners.html?_r=1
Should they be admonished or maybe boycotted for having introduced critiques of the ACA, as opposed to focusing exclusively on the "win"?
Quite frankly, other than the needed benefits it represents to millions, I think the biggest win will be the inevitable softening of the scary visage -- kind of a process like then Portrait of Dorian Gray in reverse -- of the "socialist" bogeyman many hold in their tiny and corrupted brains as painted by their rightwing masters. Much as the rightwingnuts have successfully managed to to create Bizarro World-like thinking in their minions -- particularly in the last decade -- where failure is success, etc, as has been noted by some of us since at least the stimulus days, they don't fear the failure of the ACA, they fear its real and potential successes, and the baby step it represents towards single payer because of the stopgap effort it is widely seen as.
We'll have to wait and see given the medicaid thing, how many will inevitably be left out in the insurance cold, which makes it at best a partial success in terms of the completion of the goal for all to be covered. That goal will be easier to achieve politically once more of the rightwingers discover that the ACA doesn't spell socialism doom, reversing their dread and the word "doom" into a "mood" more conducive for acceptance to further travel down the socialism road.
As already argued, the ground already appears to be quite fertile http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/12/09/two-thirds-support-3/ leaving only a need for more cultivation which the ACA could represent the figurative plow for.
Acknowledgement of and complaints about the flaws of the ACA are as important as its human misery-relieving benefits, because that's the path to providing more.
Keep pissing Mike and Paul.
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There's nothing "Socialist" about having to tithe to insurance corporations
kenny blankenship
Jun 2012
#3
99.99% of the ACA is good. But they both singled out the individual mandate as the flaw in the law.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#25
I have been posting criticism not of the entire ACA, but rather the individual mandate.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#53
The mandate is not the 1% way. It is a mandate in context with a MLR on the premium dollar that cuts
patrice
Jul 2012
#106
I don't want the ACA to fail. I am hoping the new consumer tools work as intended.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#120
Me too. And, yes, we shouldn't underestimate the difficulty of the struggle, but this is it. What
patrice
Jul 2012
#122
The Constitutionality of the mandate is ground to stand on for the constitutionality of Single Payer
patrice
Jul 2012
#101
They both dissed the individual mandate. Most of the DU supports the mandate. VEHEMENTLY.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#8
No. What he's saying is that it's not the best way to cover people, but you need to have it
boxman15
Jun 2012
#32
What the hell else do you think he is referring to besides the individual mandate?
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#26
Everyone agrees about that. The REAL questions are about how to get there with a system that
patrice
Jul 2012
#109
Theoretically, moving the cost of health care off of employers, under certain circumstances
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#119
Dealing with the Tax Code could also result in NEW employers, entrepreneurs, and some of those might
patrice
Jul 2012
#123
That's exactly how I feel. Now, it's a lot easier to amend the legislation to improve it.
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#29
"Only damned way the R's would let it pass." - not a single republican voted for the bill.
PoliticAverse
Jul 2012
#127
If you can't see that the bill is seriously flawed, then you're looking at it
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#35
there's a huge difference b/w criticizing the ACA and "piss[ing] on the ACA decision"
fishwax
Jun 2012
#36
So correctly pointing out what is wrong with ACA is pissing on the SCOTUS decision
Chisox08
Jun 2012
#40
Ha! Ha! You're pretty uh. . . un-informed yourself. You have NO idea how qualified The Magistrate is
patrice
Jul 2012
#112
You Know, Sir, It Does Not Bother Me To Keep This Idiocy Up And Current
The Magistrate
Jul 2012
#141
but he said; But it’s still a big step toward a better—and by that I mean morally better — society.
dionysus
Jun 2012
#62
You feel good about saying that Michael Moore and Paul Krugman PISS on this decision,
elleng
Jul 2012
#79
Erm, I am a huge mandate supporter here and I've been saying the exact same thing.
joshcryer
Jul 2012
#81