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stevenleser

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103. I see my 2 year old headed for a tantrum at bedtime a mile a way too. She still needs to go to bed.

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Fri Mar 17, 2017, 11:41 AM

Mar 2017

We're all adults. We're all capable of seeing the truth and are responsible for our actions.

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Keith Ellison getting thrown under the bus in T-minus 7...6...5... [View all] Blue_Tires Mar 2017 OP

YMMV, of course... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #1

Because they're fucking stupid JHan Mar 2017 #2

+1000 bronxiteforever Mar 2017 #6

Stupid seems a compliment. LakeArenal Mar 2017 #16

Hard to disagree with that. If there was a word that encompassed stupid AND hateful the BOB/JPR stevenleser Mar 2017 #30

That ... is perfect! Nicely done. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #102

Aaaaand we have a winner! Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #152

+999999 Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #180

Exactly.. brainwashed and stupid to let themselves get that way. eom Cha Mar 2017 #225

+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #234

+allthenumbers betsuni Mar 2017 #236

The JPR idiots will not like this Gothmog Mar 2017 #3

Thank You Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #11

But, You're Here Too, Sherm ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #13

It's not about HRC. LWolf Mar 2017 #18

We'll Have To Disagree, Wolf ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #52

Sure they exist. LWolf Mar 2017 #181

Well, Like You Say... ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #187

And that, imo, LWolf Mar 2017 #237

Why was every piece of russian propaganda posted and welcomed on JPR? Gothmog Mar 2017 #81

This! Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #153

I don't know that it was. LWolf Mar 2017 #186

But you see posts that "defend the status quo at all costs" "all over the front page here." betsuni Mar 2017 #188

Really? Gothmog Mar 2017 #189

Cherry-picking. nt LWolf Mar 2017 #242

Most of these posts were on the greatest page of JPR when they came out Gothmog Mar 2017 #265

It's not cherry picking when the tree is full of fruit obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #269

The posters who wanted to give Trump a chance left weeks ago for a new site Arazi Mar 2017 #217

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Mar 2017 #262

Here is how simple it is. We have a two party system. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #134

Simplistic thinking LWolf Mar 2017 #183

Like you, I post at both sites mvd Mar 2017 #142

I have seen a number of truly pro-trump posts on JPR Gothmog Mar 2017 #174

I'm not doing much at either site. LWolf Mar 2017 #184

That's true mvd Mar 2017 #206

That's generally what I do everywhere. LWolf Mar 2017 #240

You're incredibly correct....the racism shown to President Obama, the sexism shown to HRC are tools msanthrope Mar 2017 #193

One thing that Trump has done: LWolf Mar 2017 #238

You know, I recently pulled up an old Manny Goldstein msanthrope Mar 2017 #239

I think LWolf Mar 2017 #241

WillyT was banned for racism, plain and simple. msanthrope Mar 2017 #243

I was never impressed with most of the JPR posters Gothmog Mar 2017 #266

I called JPR a tertiary syphillis support group. I meant it. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #268

I find some of the discussion on this site Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #23

Stupid is a descriptive adjective.... not a noun world wide wally Mar 2017 #33

The name calling on JPR doesn't bother you? yardwork Mar 2017 #36

The explanation is people call names here, too. kcr Mar 2017 #83

No, I disagree. There is no equivalence at all. yardwork Mar 2017 #123

I agree kcr Mar 2017 #130

Damn straight there's "No Equivalence".. I've seen Cha Mar 2017 #165

You don't like this site because of derogatory names toward Trump, but the c-word at JPR is a-ok. JTFrog Mar 2017 #49

I just find it amusing that in what professes to be a democratic society Plucketeer Mar 2017 #79

This is a Democratic site. We support Democrats...this is not Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #88

Personally, I find false equivalencies distasteful emulatorloo Mar 2017 #110

Actually we have. Anne Coulter in a Rude Pundit repost for example. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #207

sorry, very poor attempt at 'both sides do it'. emulatorloo Mar 2017 #244

If you're down with the RP calling Coulter the C-word, I suppose its not. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #246

Did I say I was "down with it"? No emulatorloo Mar 2017 #247

Seems like it or you wouldn't be parsing the differences in the posts. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #248

You'll get banned or hidden at DU for calling a women a cunt emulatorloo Mar 2017 #297

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #303

Ignorant Uncouth Bigoted Trump is descriptive JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #231

Do you offer that same clarity to Stalin,Mussolini ISIS? n/t Chevy Mar 2017 #252

The JPR idiots are the ones who professed to care about their fellow humans but couldn't bring seaglass Mar 2017 #15

Another for the ignore list Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #25

If the truth hurts you that badly, who is and isnt on your ignore list is the least of your issues. stevenleser Mar 2017 #28

Those JPR people can be extra special sensitive when it comes to who voted for who. n/t seaglass Mar 2017 #48

Here is how simple it is. We have a two party system. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #135

Well, my only response is Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #155

Really ??? So we dont have a 2 party system? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #170

Put me on there too.. I stand with seaglass.. Cha Mar 2017 #168

We are all seaglass now n/t Chevy Mar 2017 #251

Good to see, Chevy! Cha Mar 2017 #257

I stand with Cha Gothmog Mar 2017 #267

... Cha Mar 2017 #292

Ignoring someone does not change the fact GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #195

And my response Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #219

Then I will kindly ask you to consider liberalhistorian Mar 2017 #205

Done Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #220

Well said, liberalhistorian! I'm proud to be on that list Cha Mar 2017 #254

The daily holiday today must be National Put A Democrat On Ignore Day betsuni Mar 2017 #224

I can simply stop posting those if you would prefer Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #226

I'm sure they're very popular over at JPR! betsuni Mar 2017 #228

And me...put me on ignore too. revmclaren Mar 2017 #255

I hate putin/trump to so put me on the ignore list also. stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #229

Who, or What, is JPR??? panfluteman Mar 2017 #21

I think it's jack pine radicals. nt arthritisR_US Mar 2017 #27

JPR is a site of Putin-loving, Trump-stumping, unicorn humper TROLLS Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #35

Great description of that site Gothmog Mar 2017 #82

+1, Exactly. n/t FSogol Mar 2017 #117

Yes. Perfect comparison. Nailed it! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #128

Best description of the jackass site I've seen yet. NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #141

I described them as a "tertiary syphilis support group." nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #194

Thread Winner! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2017 #146

And here's the part you left off... Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #154

Let's not forget the women of that site. The enablers. msanthrope Mar 2017 #222

The majority of the women who made JPR their home are the same ones who enabled seaglass Mar 2017 #230

Stockholm Syndrome.....nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #232

I actually don't agree with that obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #273

Yes, this obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #272

Careful now feelings feelings n/t Chevy Mar 2017 #253

Perfect -- except I'll add they got many good DUers PRRed obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #271

It's a progressive site of former DUers who some of the more strident HRC supporters here drove off. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #63

Some would say the JPRs left here because they were intolerant of anything but fringe left views. LonePirate Mar 2017 #72

Do you have a link for them loving 45 and Russia? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #147

Inaccurate. They chose to leave. No force, no coercion... just choice. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #89

A very reasonable assessment and factual review. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #131

During the primaries, DU was inhospitable to anyone who didn't love Hillary. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #148

During the primary there were a ton of threads that were extremely negative on Hillary Clinton Gothmog Mar 2017 #175

No doubt the primary season was filled with vitriol on both sides. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #192

You memory is slipping GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #199

It must be. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #201

it was a heated time GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #204

Let's hope nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #208

They left DU after Skinner put the kibosh on their Hillary hatefest. SecularMotion Mar 2017 #104

The failure to understand why people disliked Clinton was certainly a grave error. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #149

Are those alternative facts or just your opinion? SecularMotion Mar 2017 #158

My experience. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #162

No......it wasn't, because their stated reasons were utter bullshit. msanthrope Mar 2017 #221

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make the reasons "bullshit" or misogynistic. nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #260

The proof is the little utopia those poor oppressed souls set up. msanthrope Mar 2017 #270

I am a "you guy" now. Interesting. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #278

It is a faux-progressive site run by a megatroll Reagan voter and the "Stockholm Syndrome" boy. emulatorloo Mar 2017 #111

Please provide links where they do that. nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #150

Nope. You don't get to pretend "Stockholm Syndrome" never happened emulatorloo Mar 2017 #245

Your lack of evidence is convincing! Gore1FL Mar 2017 #258

Your tacit denial that "Stockholm Syndrome" happened is exactly what I expected. emulatorloo Mar 2017 #296

You have a nice week too. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #299

It is a site to go to if you want to read the latest Russian propaganda Gothmog Mar 2017 #116

Please provide a link that exemplifies your assertion. nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #151

You got to be kidding Gothmog Mar 2017 #161

Did you read the threads or just the OPs? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #164

Just the fact that the OPs are there in the first place with many responses (most positively).... George II Mar 2017 #169

Perhaps, but not the implication of the insertion. nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #190

Look at the recommendations/likes for these posts Gothmog Mar 2017 #264

Why do you go to a site that you claim is for Russian propaganda? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #276

Because some of the posts on that site are so stupid that they are funny Gothmog Mar 2017 #283

That's amazing, because so many of the articles are similar to those on DU. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #285

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Mar 2017 #289

Yet many awesome posters are on both. nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #298

Those JPR posters were not awesome Gothmog Mar 2017 #301

Denail isn't a river in Africa. It's name is Nile. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #306

Oh, yeah. DU is just like JPR BainsBane Mar 2017 #302

Link? nt Gore1FL Mar 2017 #307

Here are some amusing threads from today's JPR front page including several on the greatest page Gothmog Mar 2017 #304

First 5 off the front page include: Gore1FL Mar 2017 #308

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Mar 2017 #309

Denial isn't a river in Africa at all. It's name is "Nile" Gore1FL Mar 2017 #310

Why is it so important to defend trump and putin on JPR? Gothmog Mar 2017 #311

Where did I defend Trump or Putin? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #312

The JPR site is a site that was full of Putin fake news during the election Gothmog Mar 2017 #313

Being "anti-Hillary" is not the same as being pro-Trump or pro-Putin Gore1FL Mar 2017 #314

JPR had ton of Russian fake news stories posted Gothmog Mar 2017 #315

Did Maddow mention JPR? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #316

I read as many of the posts on these threads as I could stomach Gothmog Mar 2017 #171

Good grief, JPR is a slithering cesspool. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #249

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Mar 2017 #305

people too stupid to know how to use IGNORE Skittles Mar 2017 #203

Certainly that was part of it Gore1FL Mar 2017 #209

sorry, I am tired of the whiners Skittles Mar 2017 #210

Those that you speak of did so. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #215

I responded to wrong sub thread, ... wishing there was a mobile site for DU... :sry: uponit7771 Mar 2017 #211

Well articulated! I am totally convinced! Gore1FL Mar 2017 #212

Hell damn and snot .... Hillary haters can still kiss all my black ass uponit7771 Mar 2017 #213

woo hoo! Gore1FL Mar 2017 #214

sry, replied to the wrong subthread... uponit7771 Mar 2017 #216

If by "Progressive" you mean people who support Trump, who have a deep need to use Squinch Mar 2017 #227

If you say so. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #259

It's not a remark now and again. It's pervasive. And a lot of those "good DUers" Squinch Mar 2017 #263

So you are calling fellow DUers snakes in a woodpile? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #277

I think we've seen that there are. And no, it isn't against the TOS. But gosh, you're so slick! Squinch Mar 2017 #279

I know I am! Gore1FL Mar 2017 #281

Ah. No doubt the venerable "rubber/glue" gambit will come next! I wait with bated breath Squinch Mar 2017 #282

If necessary. I try to debate on the level that people approach me with. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #284

... Aaaaand there it is! Squinch Mar 2017 #286

lololololololololololololololololololololololol obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #274

I controlled this site? Gore1FL Mar 2017 #280

Progressives don't support fascist dictators, JPR is a fraud site Bradical79 Mar 2017 #288

You certainly have a right to that opinion. Gore1FL Mar 2017 #300

it's most·ly russian and tiny hands trump trolls. stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #235

Like the name calling you guys do with Hillary and various Democrats all the time? stevenleser Mar 2017 #26

Gothmog is right. JPR hates Clinton more than they hate 45. They are no different than Freepers. LonePirate Mar 2017 #66

There are perhaps some that do indeed believe as you indicate Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #157

Some? People have been banned there for saying positive words about Clinton. LonePirate Mar 2017 #160

x a BRAZILLION. Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #223

I can only assume if you are here, you had the common sense to recognize the still_one Mar 2017 #71

The JPR site is full of fake news from russian sources Gothmog Mar 2017 #75

Yet what you call "name calling" of "JPR idiots" is allowed here Cary Mar 2017 #140

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #159

thank you Rep. Ellison. i too just don't get it. spanone Mar 2017 #4

He's right in that some are downplaying the Russian thing - maybe because they spread RT crap bettyellen Mar 2017 #5

Smart guy...he wants to clear the decks of unwilling hands for 2018 BeyondGeography Mar 2017 #7

Continuing the 2016 election is the only way they can live with themselves Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #8

She had emails....Duh Yavin4 Mar 2017 #9

she gave a speech bigtree Mar 2017 #10

Geeewhizz,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2017 #12

He need only read Eichenwald's article to understand. JTFrog Mar 2017 #14

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #20

I saw this at the national Convention Gothmog Mar 2017 #115

Another thread win! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2017 #182

I wonder if it has to do with Equinox Moon Mar 2017 #17

How's that anti-establishment meme working out for ya? SunSeeker Mar 2017 #22

3 million more of the party of the people voted for her La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #29

Yes. Equinox Moon Mar 2017 #107

The BoB's made the term "Establishment" meaningless emulatorloo Mar 2017 #114

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2017 #163

Ellison is a class act. BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #19

And THAT RIGHT THERE is why I would have been happy w/ Ellison or Perez Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #24

Agree. NCTraveler Mar 2017 #37

Ayup. NT Adrahil Mar 2017 #62

I completely agree, Maru Kitteh. I was always supportive of either Ellison or Perez in the DNC chair LonePirate Mar 2017 #77

I know if Ellison had won the arrangement would be the same. I think they Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #86

That was really the only way forward for the party. Ligyron Mar 2017 #112

That's exactly what I thought when I read this. herding cats Mar 2017 #97

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #100

I'm interested in stopping Trump. Who's with me? klook Mar 2017 #31

THANK YOU! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #43

SRSLY Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #70

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #32

Not true romana Mar 2017 #38

Excuse me? JTFrog Mar 2017 #39

Don't forget ComeysFuck over after prople had started voting. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #64

+1 nt JTFrog Mar 2017 #65

Well said! FakeNoose Mar 2017 #132

Bullshit. Hillary Clinton is not "universally hated." yardwork Mar 2017 #42

Great, maybe she'll run again in 2020 bekkilyn Mar 2017 #45

It was a bullshit premise, pushing right-wing memes about HRC straight from the ass of Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #59

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2017 #166

She's not going to run, so you can put your false memes in deep storage now emulatorloo Mar 2017 #129

I wouldn't get too worked up about it, it seems that just about everybody is still taking...... nolabels Mar 2017 #44

there was a primary election which she won . JI7 Mar 2017 #53

I'm sick of this meme some people carry on with.. JHan Mar 2017 #54

Correct. They are still buying into nonsense agitprop crafted by Rightwing pundits and the Kremlin. stevenleser Mar 2017 #57

And that right there is the crux of the matter. ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #108

I think w the Trumpsters, it all boils down to racism. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #109

yup, the only group that really hates her in large numbers are hetero christian white men JI7 Mar 2017 #218

Exactly and 180 degrees wrong. The people that need to learn from this mistake are the people stevenleser Mar 2017 #55

I Would Love To See A Tweet From Hillary RainAndMoreRain Mar 2017 #34

And what exactly would that do for you? JTFrog Mar 2017 #46

How about this tweet for Hillary Clinton Gothmog Mar 2017 #178

Please, I beg you and everyone like you angrychair Mar 2017 #40

Thank you! klook Mar 2017 #47

You're not correct. That group needs to face their mistake and learn from it. stevenleser Mar 2017 #51

it wasn't a mistake on their part JI7 Mar 2017 #56

For many, I agree. Those people deserve the criticism for that reason and they deserve to be exposed stevenleser Mar 2017 #60

Let me be clear angrychair Mar 2017 #61

I only have the slightest of disagreements with you. Mostly I agree but... stevenleser Mar 2017 #76

With all due respect angrychair Mar 2017 #80

I agree with you... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #96

I'm not sure we can put it behind us though. The same thing is being tried again. kcr Mar 2017 #119

I noticed a very divisive thread was pulled a little while ago. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #172

Wrong. It was precisely the arrogance of people like you that lost the election. redgreenandblue Mar 2017 #87

Nope, it's the arrogance of people who incorrectly portray stevenleser Mar 2017 #91

I voted for Clinton in the GE and didn't vote for the primaries. But I saw this thing heading redgreenandblue Mar 2017 #99

I see my 2 year old headed for a tantrum at bedtime a mile a way too. She still needs to go to bed. stevenleser Mar 2017 #103

No, we need to fight Russian and KGOP memes uponit7771 Mar 2017 #101

Not going under my bus. Can't speak for others, though! bullwinkle428 Mar 2017 #41

Ellison knows he was used by those types for their own hateful agenda JI7 Mar 2017 #50

Many saw it as a continuation of old battles by-proxy. From all outward appearances... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #106

Keith has always been a loyal Democrat, a progresive, and a straight shooter still_one Mar 2017 #58

Yes! peggysue2 Mar 2017 #69

We are on the same page peggy still_one Mar 2017 #74

maybe keepthemhonestO Mar 2017 #67

Context please.... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #68

Agreed.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2017 #85

It was most likely the response he got to this Tweet: seaglass Mar 2017 #93

Thank You.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2017 #98

thrown under the bus by fuckwits who have no business interfering in Dem politics Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #73

Who was Ellison talking about? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #78

+1 bekkilyn Mar 2017 #92

very well put LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #113

EXACTLY.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2017 #94

you went to a website that spun conspiracy theories like 'bill clinton has aids' La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #118

It's not myself that is the victim LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #121

DU and the DEmocratic party are victims of the alt left who conspired with the alt right to take La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #122

LOL LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #125

yeah the results are very funny indeed. Bill Clinton has AIDS, Clinton cause Benghazi, the email La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #126

LP is right -- JPR is lietrally considered a Russian fake news site obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #275

OP did not mention JPR, and Ellison isn't talking about wing-nuts emulatorloo Mar 2017 #120

Well a lot of the supporters of this OP sure think it's about JPR LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #124

Dunno could be about Reddit for all I know emulatorloo Mar 2017 #127

EVERYONE who bought the Hillary baggage BULLSHIT, they paved the way for TRUMP Skittles Mar 2017 #185

So sorry you live in a democracy LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #197

what happened here was NOT DEMOCRACY Skittles Mar 2017 #202

There's nothing we Irish like better than a good spat. Thank's for the great St. Patrick's Day post! jalan48 Mar 2017 #84

The Texas Democratic Party is having an event on April 1 to April 2 with Ellison and Perez Gothmog Mar 2017 #90

Well rtracey Mar 2017 #95

Trump is going to regress us so far that establishment dems will once again be liberal. TXCritter Mar 2017 #105

On another alleged progressive message board there are several Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #133

it will be less easy to trick young voters with these lies La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #136

Here is what I worry about, Bernie can be credited with creating interest with 20 something aged Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #137

i think experience is a big teacher. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #138

K&R mcar Mar 2017 #139

Cough...Susan Sarandon....Cough. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2017 #143

I don't see a problem with that, or who would throw him under the bus for the comment. JCanete Mar 2017 #144

I'm dying to know which Young Turk he clapped back at last week too. Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #145

I can understand it, Keith ymetca Mar 2017 #156

Fly over country? tazkcmo Mar 2017 #233

Hey, I am one of them ymetca Mar 2017 #294

Because they're thoroughly brainwashed, Keith. Thank you Cha Mar 2017 #167

I wish more people would ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #290

Yes, BuckUP Cha Mar 2017 #291

Ah yeah! Lotusflower70 Mar 2017 #173

Why would people have a problem with this. It's his opinion, and it is a PatrickforO Mar 2017 #176

Gag order. democratisphere Mar 2017 #177

Words... Snackshack Mar 2017 #179

So....where are these deplorable DUers you predicted would throw Ellison under the bus? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #191

The OP didn't specify DUers NurseJackie Mar 2017 #250

The torture never stops ornotna Mar 2017 #196

I find it hard to believe that Ellison wrote that. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #198

Harry Reid: DNC was "worthless" under Debbie Wasserman Schultz Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #200

So did anybody throw him under the bus yet? QC Mar 2017 #256

Yes, the throwing under the bus happened on Twitter. Read the comments under his Tweets. n/t seaglass Mar 2017 #261

Thank you! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #287

Well, at least 60 million would think well of him for this. Hortensis Mar 2017 #293

Ellison has shown himself to be a man of great character BainsBane Mar 2017 #295