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In reply to the discussion: Three burglars entered an Oklahoma home. The owners son opened fire with an AR-15, deputies say. [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)303. That's a steaming pile of Colonism:
"Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He'd been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me."
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Three burglars entered an Oklahoma home. The owners son opened fire with an AR-15, deputies say. [View all]
riversedge
Mar 2017
OP
Not to worry, our resident gun-rights people will inform us of any such developments.
Girard442
Mar 2017
#60
I would do the same! IMO anyone breaking into a home like that is not coming for coffee. n/t
RKP5637
Mar 2017
#245
Well, if you call out you are armed and they don't turn and get out, one assumes armed and dangerous
Yo_Mama
Mar 2017
#271
Justified; but probably a sociopath that took pleasure in his license to murder 3 people
Jonny Appleseed
Mar 2017
#67
Civilized people are more afraid of taking a life than their life being taken
Jonny Appleseed
Mar 2017
#93
"I don't need to have certain primitive biological impulses that accompany rearing of offspring"
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2017
#162
Civilized people are usually more concerend with defending their families when people
synergie
Mar 2017
#261
The military trains you to overcome empathy in the line of fire and the social conditioning
Jonny Appleseed
Mar 2017
#134
Warning shots are illegal. Shooting at the legs is employing deadly force without justification.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#131
It doesn't matter if it's illegal. Not doing it means you WANT to kill a person.
Jonny Appleseed
Mar 2017
#135
If you are facing three you assume to be armed, you can't afford shooting for the legs.
Yo_Mama
Mar 2017
#256
I agree with you. We had three in our area in the last year - in two of them the young woman home
anneboleyn
Mar 2017
#87
Living Life IS the point. Not really a downside for most people in wanting to be prepared, or
jmg257
Mar 2017
#177
I don't know what you are saying. I am well aware that the chance of something like this happening
anneboleyn
Apr 2017
#520
"He killed Bob AND Steve! I'm gonna kidnap him and torture him for 15 years now!"
Jonny Appleseed
Mar 2017
#97
Yeah there's really no correct answer besides physically removing yourself from the situation
Jonny Appleseed
Mar 2017
#112
Callous gunners will say you don't fire warning shots. I don't know. I can't see that the
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#14
I'm no fan of gun ownership, but I think we need to be careful with 'shot in the back' conclusions
Kentonio
Mar 2017
#29
If he's out in the front yard face down, homeowner probably shot him running. That's wrong.
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#34
Could you link one of those discussions where DU members advocating the shooting of fleeing...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#63
Go to the Gungeon, there were plenty of them back when I was allowed to post there.
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#275
I didn't find any with an admittedly quick search. Do you recall the user names of DU members...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#282
They will not 'recall' any user names- it's just a Trump-like slur against their opponents
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2017
#301
Without evidence, your claim is bullshit- and it's not our job to dig it up for you
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2017
#312
Yeah, NRA and others pushing guns everywhere have proven to be such honorable souls.
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#313
You'd have to check out the Gungeon, especially those who have been booted from DU over
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#352
If you wish to be regarded with credibility, I would suggest you add proof to the posts in which...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#358
Warning shots are NOT recommended by legal and self-defense experts, and are prosecutable...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#65
And "self-defense experts" are in the business of teaching people how to kill, not
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#127
Can you provide cites by legal experts and/or law enforcement which recommend and advocate...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#143
Bull, rest of course teaching how to get away murder and intimidation and what to say to police
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#272
Have you taken one by the NRA, most gunners take the NRA course. Guess the like listening
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#294
The instructor for my cwp class is NRA certified, and said nothing like what you claim. I noticed...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#345
I took the State of North Carolina course, authored by the NC Department of Justice.
benEzra
Mar 2017
#425
Just out of curiosity- why is your photo collection racially segregated?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2017
#304
Didn't stop you from casting all kinds of shade on him in your first posts.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#289
Xdigger, your gun cache not keeping you occupied.? You know the context of that post.
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#325
You said: "As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police."
Marengo
Mar 2017
#356
Yes, because you gunners looking for a rationale to shoot away claimed that if a robber closed
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#361
Interesting. Would you be willing to share your robbery expertise and experiences? Did you...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#362
Yes, I told you where "robber" came from. What the heck is wrong with you besides your
Hoyt
Mar 2017
#421
Since you're back in this thread, how about answering my questions in post#362?
Marengo
Apr 2017
#514
I am licensed by my state of residence to do just that, and now I can clearly understand why...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#364
Is every license holder in the USA comparable to George Zimmerman? What about residents...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#367
Seems a clear case of very bad decision making by the deceased, and their driver.
jmg257
Mar 2017
#17
That is somethng, isn't it? And she turned herself in. Don't think she knew what was headed her way.
jmg257
Mar 2017
#36
People who commit felonies are responsible for the outcome of the felonies.
Hassin Bin Sober
Mar 2017
#56
It's unreasonable to think that armed home invasion will result in death?
Hassin Bin Sober
Mar 2017
#62
Absolutely I would. She wasn't there, she didn't pull a trigger or stab anyone.
Kentonio
Mar 2017
#123
I would disagree fundamentally even if they had gone there and committed murder.
Kentonio
Mar 2017
#227
Sure, it's 'nuts' that people should only be held responsible for things they've actually done..
Kentonio
Mar 2017
#437
And then she might have to have gone home to the same area they were all from afterwards
Kentonio
Mar 2017
#267
You are quite correct, I mistakenly though the law had been changed a while ago.
Kentonio
Mar 2017
#442
Actually, Australia still has this in legal codes, so it's not just the USA.
NutmegYankee
Mar 2017
#423
You are supposed say excuse me while I whip this out (while leering at the 3 guys in black)
HoneyBadger
Mar 2017
#46
True - I don't see what is liberal about the idea that criminals should have impunity.
Yo_Mama
Mar 2017
#266
"I'm tired of hearing accounts of families being kidnapped, tortured, raped, and then murdered....
LexVegas
Mar 2017
#105
Bullshit. You think home invasions and murder don't happen in real life?
liquid diamond
Mar 2017
#148
If you look at the pictures of the house in news reports, it seems like a really well off area
HoneyBadger
Mar 2017
#48
Well that's fine and dandy if I don't share my opinion with rightwingers and just post it on
Jonny Appleseed
Mar 2017
#94
DU is publicly indexed on search engines and accessible to view by anyone. And they are watching.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#293
While better than nothing, the alarm and police response time would not help if you are home
Amishman
Mar 2017
#100
Many people have both. Alarms are a great "surprise," but the police respond VERY SLOWLY to
anneboleyn
Mar 2017
#99
I remember the police at that time of increased security systems being installed, responded to
Jim Beard
Apr 2017
#479
A closet isn't a safe room. A safe room requires reinforced walls and door.
NutmegYankee
Mar 2017
#285
I'd love to know where I could get two cameras, two fortified doors, alarms, and a safe room
benEzra
Mar 2017
#430
She *recruited* three people, two of them minors, to conduct an armed home invasion robbery.
benEzra
Mar 2017
#426
Home invaders don't typically get much protection from the law. Your home, your castle.
jmg257
Mar 2017
#150
Nothing stolen? I wonder why. Seems they didn't make it too far passed breaking through the door.
jmg257
Mar 2017
#168
Yes they are, though the home owners are there too. The AR was suboptimal?! 3-0 would say otherwise.
jmg257
Mar 2017
#199
The fact that one of the invaders was injured, but managed to escape and expire outside tells me
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#233
"Big magazines are a definite plus, if one's goal is to make sure all the casualties are on....
EX500rider
Apr 2017
#509
If someone breaks into your house, your job isn't to go room to room and clear it.
benEzra
Mar 2017
#428
This case would seem to suggest the AR-15 is very effective for home/self defense, if the...
Marengo
Mar 2017
#204
Not that I wouldnt do the same thing, But this story doesnt pass the smell test.....
Old Vet
Mar 2017
#211
When humanity finds a way to reliably halt an attacker without killing them
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#401
I would say 'useful for situations where holistic solutions are unworkable'.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#431
I don't second-guess victims. If the response is lawful, it is by definition moral.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#455
I think they should be second guessed, and a grand jury is the proper venue for that.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#457
Turns out the getaway driver never heard the phrase 'never talk to the police'.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#462
We just don't know whether or not there was good justification for the shooter's killing 3 people.
Orsino
Apr 2017
#567
I heard brass knuckles and a knife were recovered at the scene from the perps,
yagotme
Apr 2017
#580
Why? Based on the information available, everything worked as expected.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#229
I have no sympathy for criminals and would do the same if some one broke into my house
beachbum bob
Mar 2017
#79
The best approach is to shelter in place, call out a verbal warning, and call 911.
benEzra
Mar 2017
#309
The Cheshire, Connecticut home invasion murders changed my ideas about this forever.
anneboleyn
Mar 2017
#92
.223 Remington with civilian loads is about the least penetrating of all effective rounds.
benEzra
Mar 2017
#310
Glad you survived, hope the trauma gets better. I know a guy who killed three.
Yo_Mama
Mar 2017
#262
Apparently to some the homeowner was a blood thirsty savage that couldn't wait to kill
tammywammy
Mar 2017
#144
In OK, illegal guns (used in a crime) are as unlawful as illegal knives or brass knuckles
HoneyBadger
Mar 2017
#169
It's likely illegal in every state, if not explicitly, it would be used as evidence that
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#236
She knows why she dropped the three off...then gets arrested. Not sure she has some secret
jmg257
Mar 2017
#172
You have a link to that? Report I read says he was shot inside and tried to run out.
jmg257
Mar 2017
#164
Actually reports say that he was shot in the house and collapsed in the driveway. Nt
NWCorona
Mar 2017
#200
Masked people had the option of weighing possible outcomes before smashing their way in
luvMIdog
Mar 2017
#170
I favor gun control. I hate violence. And I don't know all the facts in the case, but...
Binkie The Clown
Mar 2017
#182
In most felony murder statutes, the crimes it applies to are limited and defined
hack89
Mar 2017
#250
IIRC, Couch was committing a misdemeanor (driving while intoxicated) when he killed the 4 people.
NutmegYankee
Mar 2017
#334
Yes, and deservedly so. You have an adult telling kids to go commit a violent entry.
Yo_Mama
Mar 2017
#264
I'm a big gun control advocate. I won't lose any sleep over what happened in this situation.
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#268
No, I meant the robbers will shoot everyone they see if they believe everyone is armed
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#296
Might get caught for Burglary is different motivation than "might be shot dead"
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#396
Some decades ago, two robbers attempted to break into my grandmother's apartment.
Tatiana
Mar 2017
#307
Max Cook, the driver's 16 year old boyfriend describes himself thusly on FB
HoneyBadger
Mar 2017
#340
They have identified the person that the driver called from McDonald's (where she went after)
HoneyBadger
Mar 2017
#420
If you choose to read his FB, past all the girls mourning their friends and him cursing out others
HoneyBadger
Mar 2017
#422
Semi shotgun is less reliable than an AR15 unless you spend 3x the cost of an AR15
HoneyBadger
Mar 2017
#460
An AR or a Tavor/AUG/Mini-14 are centerfire .22's; a 12-gauge is .729. Big difference in recoil.
benEzra
Mar 2017
#463
I think pellet gun would have been sufficient against these guys, who supposedly had a knife and
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#476
No gun advocate, I'm claiming there was no evidence they were in that house to kill anyone.
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#486
Didn't read all that BS. If you are going to "impute" the worst to anyone walking down the street,
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#496
Because I read the first part and though it was BS. Fact is, the son will not be charged
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#507
I guarantee, there is nothing a gun fancier is going to say that I haven't heard hundreds of times
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#518
I agree. Seems as we have advocates for AR15's since it killed all of them instead of
Jim Beard
Apr 2017
#487
If it was in his pocket, it could have been a boy scout knife. I suspect most of the
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#497
I bet some of our gunners here carry similar implements in their urban warfare pants.
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#501
Since it never happened, can't say. How does fondling your guns, strapping one on to go to
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#528
Clever...I if that were true, you would most likely not be in any condition to conspicuously
Marengo
Apr 2017
#538
Not if the knife isn't in their hand and they are looking to kill me. That does not appear
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#498
So you are OK with several policemen shooting a mentally ill person at 20 feet with a knife when
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#522
Actually, they are quite similar and your typical gunner will support the shooter in both cases.
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#524
Excellent points Hoyt! I have been wanting to make the same comparison but got caught up in other th
Jim Beard
Apr 2017
#546
Good Point, if they were not expecting anyone, they would not have the knife out rather
Jim Beard
Apr 2017
#547
Let me guess, you are a gun fancier? Knife, rock, fists, scary people, etc., are all
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#508
Was Tiffany Ferguson tickled to death in Nashville Tennessee? Looks like she was knifed to death...
Marengo
Apr 2017
#511
Typical NRA BS. 22 people were killed by a knife in China. It doesn't matter, if there were no crime
Hoyt
Apr 2017
#517
In other words, knife armed thieves are not harmless. I appreciate your acknowledgement...
Marengo
Apr 2017
#537
There seems to be an argument that one should use the minimum amount of force needed
HoneyBadger
Apr 2017
#466
The only thing that really seems legitimately debateable is the charge against the driver
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#468
I do. Sometimes society must ensure laws for all people for the greater good.
Fluke a Snooker
Apr 2017
#470
I hate myself for having to say this, but the laws are written to protect the homeowner's
napi21
Apr 2017
#526
Just because its your property doesn't mean anything..................................
Jim Beard
Apr 2017
#550