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In reply to the discussion: It would be nice if the centrists in this party did some introspection, too. [View all]NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)12. It was not "destructive".
That did make me laugh.
"We're both trying to help the party do better, after all."
Please don't speak for me. My support for the party is clear and I don't feel the need for proclamations like you feel theneed to make(as you have done here) in order for people to believe it. Don't speak for me as you have done here. Period.
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It would be nice if the centrists in this party did some introspection, too. [View all]
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
OP
OK...if I were to say I BELIEVE you and I basically agree, could you accept that?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#20
Yep. ESPECIALLY Jill Stein. NO excuse whatsoever for ANYONE to support that ding-dong.
calimary
Apr 2017
#46
You are correct. All the negative crap.. When in fact Clinton won the popular vote.
LakeArenal
Apr 2017
#37
re: "The result in the fall wasn't entirely the fault of the 'far left'. "
thesquanderer
Apr 2017
#43
Are you comparing President Bill Clinton to donald trump in your last paragraph?
George II
Apr 2017
#65
My point is that his active presence in the race gave the Trump campaign the CHANCE
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#69
Despite your prostestations, President Bill Clinton was a huge asset during the campaign...
George II
Apr 2017
#77
re: " There was a great focus on her qualifications, but qualifications were not going to be enough"
thesquanderer
Apr 2017
#76
I endorsed her in a thread I started on DU. I've been a registered Dem for years.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#105
I think the platform was plenty progressive. And I am not sure what she could have done, other
StevieM
Apr 2017
#225
Not only did the Clinton campaign put far too much emphasis on negative ads, but they didn't seem to
Midwestern Democrat
Apr 2017
#79
re: "ads did nothing more than say that Donald Trump is personally an awful human being."
thesquanderer
Apr 2017
#81
I heard LOTS of ideas. About women, about jobs, about universal health care coverage, college costs
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#131
so it's dantex that's running around bashing Democrats and embracing Trump voters?
synergie
Apr 2017
#316
"Thankfully it appears to me that our new DNC leadership team has no problem with it."
NCTraveler
Apr 2017
#8
All the Trump voters I know were voting against Someone and Something.Lock her up!
delisen
Apr 2017
#47
"Every faction of this party treating each other with respect." I agree completely.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#27
So you are critiquing supporters of the campaign, but not the campaign itself?
WomenRising2017
Apr 2017
#84
"DNC leaders say Hillary Clinton lost because she talked too much about Trump"
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#41
I accept that HRC won the primaries and I wanted her to win in the fall just as much as you did.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#89
Centrist on what? We were told it's the most liberal platform in party history
IronLionZion
Apr 2017
#33
What policies are going to help win voters in the rural middle of America?
IronLionZion
Apr 2017
#138
That could work but a lot of modern lefists honestly fetishize manufacturing
forjusticethunders
Apr 2017
#322
The key, then, is to make sure that we aren't made to settle for JUST the small victories.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#344
I don't think her strategy was the problem. How did Trump defeat all those Republicans
delisen
Apr 2017
#66
No significant number of people want to turn the party into her or his own personal cult.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#93
We have good leaders coming up the ranks, particularly from the West Coast.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#59
That's the way to say something positive about the party, aka the Democratic Party!
George II
Apr 2017
#73
We just simply care about humanity...air...water...etc., etc., etc.... nt
Heartstrings
Apr 2017
#101
By that logic, if Donald Trump switched to beimg a Democrat you'd be happy.
Exilednight
Apr 2017
#144
Slogans and memes aren't debate, no matter how many times you repeat them.
Exilednight
Apr 2017
#219
Why is it so important to you to equate disagreement with lack of party loyalty?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#254
exactly, and i have said there is a reason they feel the need to always scream about how left,
JI7
Apr 2017
#96
OK...in this case, I'm defining the "centrists" not as people who simply disagree with me
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#103
The conservatives have controlled the message for several decades, it is they not the party who
PoliticalPie
Apr 2017
#88
The only time corporations are running our government is when Republicans are in charge.
betsuni
Apr 2017
#165
What was the origin of NAFTA? Please provide links to prove it was Bill Clinton's idea
betsuni
Apr 2017
#173
It was negotiated before him, and there was no good reason for him to fight for it.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#175
I asked you to give it to me. Why should I believe you that Clinton pushed like hell to do anything?
betsuni
Apr 2017
#189
that is a very very simplified way of looking at things. You have to know this? There is way too
JCanete
Apr 2017
#238
And how do we be inclusive of Christians who voted against the poor, old, kids and etc.
elehhhhna
Apr 2017
#145
While I do appreciate the frustration with the centrism I have an alternative theory:
forjusticethunders
Apr 2017
#323
Could help to explain why there are so many people registered Independent now
bekkilyn
Apr 2017
#324
By STUIDITY, many who participated in the Democratic Primaries voted Green in the GE.
Foamfollower
Apr 2017
#228
That's not true either. The negative ads Obama ran against Romney, painting him
DanTex
Apr 2017
#159
The stated intent of the campaign in running the ads was to try to get the apparently mythical
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#281
She barely mentioned the platform in the ads and on the stump only talked about
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#315
Racism played a role with a lot of Trump voters...but that doesn't account for all of them.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#333
nothing would persaude the anti-hillary forces who made it clear seeing trump in the whitehouse was
beachbum bob
Apr 2017
#192
The Dem campaign pros have a sorry history, and we clearly need new ones
Fast Walker 52
Apr 2017
#197
A person can live in the real world without believing that this party HAS to be centrist.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#302
I am disagreeing strongly with your amusing suggestions for remaking the party into sanders image
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#330
Ken your proposals scream that you have no idea as to what is going on in the real world
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#345
Your proposals are flawed and cry out that you have not work in the real world
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#347
Send Beto your platform-there must be some more unrealistic planks he can used
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#351
It is pretty clear that a lot of people do not recognize what cost HRC the election.
tonyt53
Apr 2017
#206
And addressing working-class voters(it's not about "white working-class" voters,
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#301
Bernie himself is not defending any of the white supremacist aspects in what you said there.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#391
All I can say is that that doesn't represent the perspective of any of the Sanders supporters
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#402
Party unity, not uniformity. Utilitarian Unity. Doing the greatest good for the greatest number.
ancianita
Apr 2017
#212
OP claims need respect but only shames; says introspection "too" - who else has???
Justice
Apr 2017
#227
I spent a lot of the fall trying to persuade people to our left to vote HRC.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#356
When I said I don't defend third-party voting you posted "LOL!" in response.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#367
No, I laughed because you misread post 300 and started defending yourself against an imagined insult
NurseJackie
Apr 2017
#388
So, you did accuse me of lying when I said I don't defend third-party votes.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#392
Exactly. If it couldn't work against Trump, the centrist tactic is dead.
Barack_America
Apr 2017
#284
I acknowledge that the Sanders campaign had failings in its expression on that.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#328
The faction of the party that endorsed Tim Ryan, Heath mello and tulsi
La Lioness Priyanka
Apr 2017
#352
A lot of people are building a cult, far bigger than the tiny amount
La Lioness Priyanka
Apr 2017
#403
The vast majority of those who still support the values of the Sanders campaign
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#404
Stop trying to elect centrists or watch your civil rights bargained away by the Neoliberals
pecosbob
Apr 2017
#377