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58. Actually Trump won by 77 votes. n/t

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Democrats say they now know exactly why Clinton lost [View all] brooklynite May 2017 OP

It was the Russians, dammit! AngryAmish May 2017 #1

who went after slim margin obama areas just to rub salt in the wounds. mopinko May 2017 #72

The Russians and the GOP convincing people Hillary couldnt be trusted, because Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #202

How does one go from Obama to Trump? IMO this is nonsense..n/t monmouth4 May 2017 #2

Hackable touch-screen voting machines? Tanuki May 2017 #3

Ahh, forgot about that. TY..n/t monmouth4 May 2017 #6

correct. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #162

Agree ananda May 2017 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot May 2017 #21

see post #103 . nt ginnyinWI May 2017 #104

They are both men Phoenix61 May 2017 #80

Yes. To the extent that the study was well conducted spooky3 May 2017 #99

that is pretty misleading dsc May 2017 #102

.... YoungDemCA May 2017 #199

my brother would be one of these. ginnyinWI May 2017 #103

I know two people who switched Obama to Trump. SomethingNew May 2017 #152

Obama was perceived as a fresh, new face MountCleaners May 2017 #153

IKR? Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #113

Message deleted by DU the Administrators Orangepeel May 2017 #193

+1 treestar May 2017 #133

I've Often Wondered This RobinA May 2017 #205

OUCH! n/t WellDarn May 2017 #4

She won the popular vote edhopper May 2017 #7

THIS BumRushDaShow May 2017 #20

Campaigns for the presidency are built to navigate the Electoral College. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #85

I know it seems like a great talking point WellDarn May 2017 #91

Yeah and? Why is that bad? NunnesBuznat May 2017 #163

Correct BumRushDaShow May 2017 #96

Outrage voting doesn't mean we were actually on-message. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #107

Excellent post, i could not agree more. While many are just chalking frankieallen May 2017 #129

"Explain the non-Hispanic white working class vote then." BumRushDaShow May 2017 #138

Please be very specific about where I "denigrated" California? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #143

Here BumRushDaShow May 2017 #145

You may not know what 'denigrate' means. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #148

Your dismissing those votes IS denigrating BumRushDaShow May 2017 #151

It's not a dismissal. Feel free to stop making things up. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #168

Again the short-sightedness is breath-taking BumRushDaShow May 2017 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca May 2017 #207

Good post. Ligyron May 2017 #141

never be close enough to steal if not for the talk radio advantage certainot May 2017 #49

It wasn't just about Hillary's loss, though. PatrickforO May 2017 #52

The vast majority of black and hispanic working class voters DID vote for Hillary. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #56

Of course they did! The problem is the white ones didn't, and PatrickforO May 2017 #66

But what you said was: pnwmom May 2017 #71

Precisely the problem. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #89

Your last line nil desperandum May 2017 #118

But that's who I'm talking about in my post. PatrickforO May 2017 #189

When has the party not supported the working class? BertNEarnie May 2017 #63

What policies for the working class have been pushed by the Democratic party in the last 20+ years? Kirkwood May 2017 #65

I have reason, and all working class voters do too BertNEarnie May 2017 #77

The Republicans suck. We all know that. But, this isn't about them. Kirkwood May 2017 #84

Unions BertNEarnie May 2017 #115

It's not about Unions. Kirkwood May 2017 #119

I disagree with you BertNEarnie May 2017 #195

Plus Obamacare, Lily Ledbetter Act, numerous executive orders, spooky3 May 2017 #101

I'm not saying Trump will give us crap. PatrickforO May 2017 #68

Rant BertNEarnie May 2017 #106

Nah, you're cool! No problem. PatrickforO May 2017 #188

Will read 'Web of Debt' BertNEarnie May 2017 #196

Seriously?? Hell Hath No Fury May 2017 #108

And Republicans successfully linked media noise about the TPP to Hillary, and NAFTA. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #112

Who says the working class aren't included? SticksnStones May 2017 #69

+1 Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #125

Exactly. What are these idiots drinking? There's a huge elephant in the room named Comey/Putin... brush May 2017 #60

That kind of thinking is the problem. "We did everything right, Comey frankieallen May 2017 #169

We're doomed if they don't. If you don't think Comey Putin had something to do with it... brush May 2017 #176

She was running against an orange buffoon. Kirkwood May 2017 #62

That says more about the people edhopper May 2017 #155

I've been shocked with seeing how many men enjoyed that buffoon and cheered him on. bettyellen May 2017 #159

Correct frankieallen May 2017 #170

Without suppressed votes, broken machines in strategic districts, and lack of audits csziggy May 2017 #120

Well said! spooky3 May 2017 #136

Two words: Bettie May 2017 #8

Gerrymandering allows unnatural state Republicon majorities that make Voter Suppression laws. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #17

Yes, it is Bettie May 2017 #30

Gerrrymandering has no impact on presidential elections Phoenix61 May 2017 #79

Gerrymandering has large impact on Presidential Elections. 2024 depends on 2021 depends on 2020/2018 Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #97

Clear and informative post, thank you, Bernardo. JudyM May 2017 #109

+1 lunasun May 2017 #114

Thank you for that. Caliman73 May 2017 #157

Not true. It gives Repubs control of state legislatures. And the power to supress votes. crazylikafox May 2017 #98

Yes, this +1000 I'll never forget that Karl Rove's IT guy died in a "plane crash" diva77 May 2017 #130

this democrat says it's russia and comey. clear that up and i'll listen to anything. spanone May 2017 #9

+1000 oasis May 2017 #14

+1001 blueseas May 2017 #51

EXACTLY!!!!!! nt Still Blue in PDX May 2017 #105

undeniably. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #164

One of many studies of the election. ehrnst May 2017 #10

Cambridge Analytica played a huge role in suppressing the vote NewJeffCT May 2017 #39

Yes, those posts were effective. Seems they targeted me because I saw those "dark posts". JHan May 2017 #53

It would be very enlightening for their Facebook ads to be available for everyone to appreciate Justice May 2017 #197

Not sure NewJeffCT May 2017 #198

Interesting JustAnotherGen May 2017 #11

I'm white and grew up among the white working class Bettie May 2017 #19

Two facts regarding African-American voters in Michigan tiredtoo May 2017 #40

You can't expect African American turnout to be the same NewJeffCT May 2017 #42

Don't fall for those trying to blame AAs for the loss. 90+ percent of AAs votes were for Hillary brush May 2017 #192

Right!? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #212

Exactly. Your last paragraph says it all. brush May 2017 #213

Interesting take get the red out May 2017 #12

Kinda tanks the racism angle. cwydro May 2017 #13

Yet we saw DT get huge applause for all the racist crap he spewed. But it's ignored. bettyellen May 2017 #160

Duh. progressoid May 2017 #15

Except Hillary got only 70,000 fewer votes than Obama in 2012 -- despite all the new voter ID laws, pnwmom May 2017 #55

Only? progressoid May 2017 #111

Those GOP voters were much less likely to be affected by the new voter ID requirements pnwmom May 2017 #166

There is no doubt that those laws/practices are designed to disenfranchise POC and the poor (Dems). progressoid May 2017 #187

How do you know they didn't try? And what about the Russian microtargeting of black voters? pnwmom May 2017 #190

We didn't fail you redixdoragon May 2017 #16

Results are arrived from the data put in. WePurrsevere May 2017 #18

Over analyzing will be the Dems downfall. This is crap joeybee12 May 2017 #22

A lot of voters prefer change, regardless of what kind of change. geek tragedy May 2017 #23

Exactly loyalsister May 2017 #161

96% of Trump voters have no regrets. yallerdawg May 2017 #24

The intelligence level of a large number of NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #25

Agreed. History will not judge us kindly Va Lefty May 2017 #27

3 million more of of us chose rationally. Hillary lost because of a vestige of KingCharlemagne May 2017 #33

Good point. Ligyron May 2017 #156

Agreed VL - I'm in FL - Scott is our leading yahoo NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #34

Scott may appeal to the yahoos NewJeffCT May 2017 #59

Clinton won, but the Russians and Republicans stole the election. L. Coyote May 2017 #26

I see lots of denial here despite how polls leading up to the election... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #28

Yup. n/t progressoid May 2017 #116

Except that her approval ratings were pretty high until she announced Caliman73 May 2017 #175

What do I propose? A "fresh face" with that message. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #182

Secretary Clinton won by some 3 million votes. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #29

Actually Trump won by 77 votes. n/t PoliticAverse May 2017 #58

Sigh. Ignore. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #61

Why do people keep saying that? Kirkwood May 2017 #88

Obama voters became Trump voters because of 8 years of cultivated hatred bucolic_frolic May 2017 #31

Heard again this morning how Trump connected with those left out of the economic recovery bigbrother05 May 2017 #32

Hogwash Tribalceltic May 2017 #35

So it really had nothing to do with Putin Progressive dog May 2017 #36

It seems odd that vote purging, new voter ID laws, and other forms of vote suppression pnwmom May 2017 #37

So far the replies here are as interesting as the report Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #38

Yes. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #45

Yep vi5 May 2017 #46

Yep. nt m-lekktor May 2017 #54

Exactly Kentonio May 2017 #75

Agreed. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #87

Have to follow the real data wherever it may lead. andym May 2017 #150

It is important to determine what we need to do as a party LeftInTX May 2017 #121

That data is true -- those factors were enough to turn the election. But it's also false. pnwmom May 2017 #167

I agree with you. I talked more about the bigger picture in post #100 below Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #186

Comey's affect on those same voters is undeniable Dem2 May 2017 #209

denial Dem2 May 2017 #208

Canter makes $$$ selling STRATEGY not from shining light on Crosscheck, Dem voter purges, increased blm May 2017 #41

He might be faced with threats if he were to include Crosscheck, computerized voting & tabulating diva77 May 2017 #154

Voter suppression, hacking, Russian interference CanonRay May 2017 #43

OFFS. It was the COMEY LETTER. These "experts" need to ponder this graph: SunSeeker May 2017 #44

That's it exactly. WTH is going on? Is there a memory block or something? Clinton was well ahead... brush May 2017 #67

The analysis in the OP included top elements of Hillary's own campaign. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #117

It's strange, in fact it's getting ridiculous. Dems are attacking each other now. Look at Warren... brush May 2017 #122

Ain't that the truth. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #123

It was "stolen" many years ago when right-wingers... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #142

I'm thinking we'd also be foolish to get behind a certain attack dog senator as well brush May 2017 #147

I'm hoping for someone "new" on the scene. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #180

This is exactly what I saw coming Deb May 2017 #183

I was thinking... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #184

I wish we started a party campaign first, then the person Deb May 2017 #191

The polls this election cycle were crap, and your using them to frankieallen May 2017 #171

The polls were actually not too far off. They were spot on in CA. SunSeeker May 2017 #194

Yep! Economic justice. PatrickforO May 2017 #47

Did these people BlueMTexpat May 2017 #48

Her base didn't turn out rock May 2017 #50

I know these guys are way smarter than me. mountain grammy May 2017 #57

People move for jobs: rust belt to sun belt IronLionZion May 2017 #64

Clintons Loss marieo1 May 2017 #70

Just another official conspiracy theory ucrdem May 2017 #73

Hillary lost because she had the worst campaign manager on the planet Snake Plissken May 2017 #74

Sanders outspent Clinton 2-1 on Michigan TV and we know how that turned out. ucrdem May 2017 #76

She ignored Wisconsin HelenWheels May 2017 #78

Why would we go to Wisconsin? yallerdawg May 2017 #110

GODDAMMIT! hurple May 2017 #81

You're so right. We can't fall victim to the "oh we ran such a horrible campaign... brush May 2017 #124

Those three million votes might have been on the moon for all the good they do us. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #128

Have they analyzed the 1000+Dem seats lost since 2010? delisen May 2017 #82

f*k Mcclatchy and this sudden media coverage telling us why Hillary lost, conveniently ignoring how still_one May 2017 #83

Exactly. Justice May 2017 #139

oh oh oh rtracey May 2017 #86

Hilary nearly matched Obama's vote totals from 2012 standingtall May 2017 #90

The Democratic Party ignored its most faithful - white middle class voters aged 45-65. tonyt53 May 2017 #92

I suppose.... moriah May 2017 #158

so what are the dems going to give up okieinpain May 2017 #93

I absolutely agree with this and have been saying it since the election. SpankMe May 2017 #94

Why are they lemmings? Jake Stern May 2017 #149

Kind of useless ismnotwasm May 2017 #95

It's never one reason. That doesn't mean individual reasons don't matter Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #100

'Much of the debate over how to move forward has centered on whether the party should try to win elleng May 2017 #126

Article after article about former Obama and current Trump voters in PA, MI, WI, etc... SMC22307 May 2017 #131

Clinton didn't lose. Get another clue, "Strategists." dchill May 2017 #127

Right. And Trump wasn't sworn in as President Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #135

Well, if THAT'S gonna be your metric... dchill May 2017 #179

LOL Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #185

Not sure if this is trolling. YoungDemCA May 2017 #200

Who, me? dchill May 2017 #204

Is there any polling proof treestar May 2017 #132

Yes. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #137

Where? treestar May 2017 #173

Did you read the article in the OP? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #174

No real proof treestar May 2017 #210

Jives with all the exit polls I saw. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #211

that does not say anything about people who had voted treestar May 2017 #214

Google "2012 presidential election county maps" and likewise for 2016. Look at the Rust Belt states. YoungDemCA May 2017 #206

Great to see some introspection and analysis taking place instead of just playing the blame game. jalan48 May 2017 #134

Incomplete analysis: Tell loss in terms of #s but voters switched from Obama to Trump Justice May 2017 #140

+1, every analysis that does NOT address Comey, Russia and voter suppression SHOULD be taken with uponit7771 May 2017 #165

It's not matter of opinion, this is a statistical analysis of the data, and they have a lot andym May 2017 #144

I just posted about this, only from Salon, discussing the same thing. lovemydogs May 2017 #146

The article says WHOM they lost, but NOT *why* they lost those voters. tblue37 May 2017 #172

"Her base didnt turn out, Donald Trumps did and the difference was too much to overcome." marybourg May 2017 #177

We can rehash this till the cows come home. There were a lot of variables YOHABLO May 2017 #178

She lost because key parts of the Obama coalition either stayed home or voted for other candidates. YoungDemCA May 2017 #201

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