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124. You're so right. We can't fall victim to the "oh we ran such a horrible campaign...

Mon May 1, 2017, 11:09 AM

May 2017

no wonder we lost BS.

It was stolen.

We concentrate on getting out the vote while the repugs concentrate on stopping our vote.

THAT is what we have to combat and expose loudly.

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Democrats say they now know exactly why Clinton lost [View all] brooklynite May 2017 OP

It was the Russians, dammit! AngryAmish May 2017 #1

who went after slim margin obama areas just to rub salt in the wounds. mopinko May 2017 #72

The Russians and the GOP convincing people Hillary couldnt be trusted, because Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #202

How does one go from Obama to Trump? IMO this is nonsense..n/t monmouth4 May 2017 #2

Hackable touch-screen voting machines? Tanuki May 2017 #3

Ahh, forgot about that. TY..n/t monmouth4 May 2017 #6

correct. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #162

Agree ananda May 2017 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot May 2017 #21

see post #103 . nt ginnyinWI May 2017 #104

They are both men Phoenix61 May 2017 #80

Yes. To the extent that the study was well conducted spooky3 May 2017 #99

that is pretty misleading dsc May 2017 #102

.... YoungDemCA May 2017 #199

my brother would be one of these. ginnyinWI May 2017 #103

I know two people who switched Obama to Trump. SomethingNew May 2017 #152

Obama was perceived as a fresh, new face MountCleaners May 2017 #153

IKR? Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #113

Message deleted by DU the Administrators Orangepeel May 2017 #193

+1 treestar May 2017 #133

I've Often Wondered This RobinA May 2017 #205

OUCH! n/t WellDarn May 2017 #4

She won the popular vote edhopper May 2017 #7

THIS BumRushDaShow May 2017 #20

Campaigns for the presidency are built to navigate the Electoral College. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #85

I know it seems like a great talking point WellDarn May 2017 #91

Yeah and? Why is that bad? NunnesBuznat May 2017 #163

Correct BumRushDaShow May 2017 #96

Outrage voting doesn't mean we were actually on-message. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #107

Excellent post, i could not agree more. While many are just chalking frankieallen May 2017 #129

"Explain the non-Hispanic white working class vote then." BumRushDaShow May 2017 #138

Please be very specific about where I "denigrated" California? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #143

Here BumRushDaShow May 2017 #145

You may not know what 'denigrate' means. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #148

Your dismissing those votes IS denigrating BumRushDaShow May 2017 #151

It's not a dismissal. Feel free to stop making things up. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #168

Again the short-sightedness is breath-taking BumRushDaShow May 2017 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca May 2017 #207

Good post. Ligyron May 2017 #141

never be close enough to steal if not for the talk radio advantage certainot May 2017 #49

It wasn't just about Hillary's loss, though. PatrickforO May 2017 #52

The vast majority of black and hispanic working class voters DID vote for Hillary. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #56

Of course they did! The problem is the white ones didn't, and PatrickforO May 2017 #66

But what you said was: pnwmom May 2017 #71

Precisely the problem. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #89

Your last line nil desperandum May 2017 #118

But that's who I'm talking about in my post. PatrickforO May 2017 #189

When has the party not supported the working class? BertNEarnie May 2017 #63

What policies for the working class have been pushed by the Democratic party in the last 20+ years? Kirkwood May 2017 #65

I have reason, and all working class voters do too BertNEarnie May 2017 #77

The Republicans suck. We all know that. But, this isn't about them. Kirkwood May 2017 #84

Unions BertNEarnie May 2017 #115

It's not about Unions. Kirkwood May 2017 #119

I disagree with you BertNEarnie May 2017 #195

Plus Obamacare, Lily Ledbetter Act, numerous executive orders, spooky3 May 2017 #101

I'm not saying Trump will give us crap. PatrickforO May 2017 #68

Rant BertNEarnie May 2017 #106

Nah, you're cool! No problem. PatrickforO May 2017 #188

Will read 'Web of Debt' BertNEarnie May 2017 #196

Seriously?? Hell Hath No Fury May 2017 #108

And Republicans successfully linked media noise about the TPP to Hillary, and NAFTA. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #112

Who says the working class aren't included? SticksnStones May 2017 #69

+1 Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #125

Exactly. What are these idiots drinking? There's a huge elephant in the room named Comey/Putin... brush May 2017 #60

That kind of thinking is the problem. "We did everything right, Comey frankieallen May 2017 #169

We're doomed if they don't. If you don't think Comey Putin had something to do with it... brush May 2017 #176

She was running against an orange buffoon. Kirkwood May 2017 #62

That says more about the people edhopper May 2017 #155

I've been shocked with seeing how many men enjoyed that buffoon and cheered him on. bettyellen May 2017 #159

Correct frankieallen May 2017 #170

Without suppressed votes, broken machines in strategic districts, and lack of audits csziggy May 2017 #120

Well said! spooky3 May 2017 #136

Two words: Bettie May 2017 #8

Gerrymandering allows unnatural state Republicon majorities that make Voter Suppression laws. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #17

Yes, it is Bettie May 2017 #30

Gerrrymandering has no impact on presidential elections Phoenix61 May 2017 #79

Gerrymandering has large impact on Presidential Elections. 2024 depends on 2021 depends on 2020/2018 Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #97

Clear and informative post, thank you, Bernardo. JudyM May 2017 #109

+1 lunasun May 2017 #114

Thank you for that. Caliman73 May 2017 #157

Not true. It gives Repubs control of state legislatures. And the power to supress votes. crazylikafox May 2017 #98

Yes, this +1000 I'll never forget that Karl Rove's IT guy died in a "plane crash" diva77 May 2017 #130

this democrat says it's russia and comey. clear that up and i'll listen to anything. spanone May 2017 #9

+1000 oasis May 2017 #14

+1001 blueseas May 2017 #51

EXACTLY!!!!!! nt Still Blue in PDX May 2017 #105

undeniably. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #164

One of many studies of the election. ehrnst May 2017 #10

Cambridge Analytica played a huge role in suppressing the vote NewJeffCT May 2017 #39

Yes, those posts were effective. Seems they targeted me because I saw those "dark posts". JHan May 2017 #53

It would be very enlightening for their Facebook ads to be available for everyone to appreciate Justice May 2017 #197

Not sure NewJeffCT May 2017 #198

Interesting JustAnotherGen May 2017 #11

I'm white and grew up among the white working class Bettie May 2017 #19

Two facts regarding African-American voters in Michigan tiredtoo May 2017 #40

You can't expect African American turnout to be the same NewJeffCT May 2017 #42

Don't fall for those trying to blame AAs for the loss. 90+ percent of AAs votes were for Hillary brush May 2017 #192

Right!? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #212

Exactly. Your last paragraph says it all. brush May 2017 #213

Interesting take get the red out May 2017 #12

Kinda tanks the racism angle. cwydro May 2017 #13

Yet we saw DT get huge applause for all the racist crap he spewed. But it's ignored. bettyellen May 2017 #160

Duh. progressoid May 2017 #15

Except Hillary got only 70,000 fewer votes than Obama in 2012 -- despite all the new voter ID laws, pnwmom May 2017 #55

Only? progressoid May 2017 #111

Those GOP voters were much less likely to be affected by the new voter ID requirements pnwmom May 2017 #166

There is no doubt that those laws/practices are designed to disenfranchise POC and the poor (Dems). progressoid May 2017 #187

How do you know they didn't try? And what about the Russian microtargeting of black voters? pnwmom May 2017 #190

We didn't fail you redixdoragon May 2017 #16

Results are arrived from the data put in. WePurrsevere May 2017 #18

Over analyzing will be the Dems downfall. This is crap joeybee12 May 2017 #22

A lot of voters prefer change, regardless of what kind of change. geek tragedy May 2017 #23

Exactly loyalsister May 2017 #161

96% of Trump voters have no regrets. yallerdawg May 2017 #24

The intelligence level of a large number of NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #25

Agreed. History will not judge us kindly Va Lefty May 2017 #27

3 million more of of us chose rationally. Hillary lost because of a vestige of KingCharlemagne May 2017 #33

Good point. Ligyron May 2017 #156

Agreed VL - I'm in FL - Scott is our leading yahoo NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #34

Scott may appeal to the yahoos NewJeffCT May 2017 #59

Clinton won, but the Russians and Republicans stole the election. L. Coyote May 2017 #26

I see lots of denial here despite how polls leading up to the election... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #28

Yup. n/t progressoid May 2017 #116

Except that her approval ratings were pretty high until she announced Caliman73 May 2017 #175

What do I propose? A "fresh face" with that message. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #182

Secretary Clinton won by some 3 million votes. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #29

Actually Trump won by 77 votes. n/t PoliticAverse May 2017 #58

Sigh. Ignore. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #61

Why do people keep saying that? Kirkwood May 2017 #88

Obama voters became Trump voters because of 8 years of cultivated hatred bucolic_frolic May 2017 #31

Heard again this morning how Trump connected with those left out of the economic recovery bigbrother05 May 2017 #32

Hogwash Tribalceltic May 2017 #35

So it really had nothing to do with Putin Progressive dog May 2017 #36

It seems odd that vote purging, new voter ID laws, and other forms of vote suppression pnwmom May 2017 #37

So far the replies here are as interesting as the report Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #38

Yes. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #45

Yep vi5 May 2017 #46

Yep. nt m-lekktor May 2017 #54

Exactly Kentonio May 2017 #75

Agreed. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #87

Have to follow the real data wherever it may lead. andym May 2017 #150

It is important to determine what we need to do as a party LeftInTX May 2017 #121

That data is true -- those factors were enough to turn the election. But it's also false. pnwmom May 2017 #167

I agree with you. I talked more about the bigger picture in post #100 below Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #186

Comey's affect on those same voters is undeniable Dem2 May 2017 #209

denial Dem2 May 2017 #208

Canter makes $$$ selling STRATEGY not from shining light on Crosscheck, Dem voter purges, increased blm May 2017 #41

He might be faced with threats if he were to include Crosscheck, computerized voting & tabulating diva77 May 2017 #154

Voter suppression, hacking, Russian interference CanonRay May 2017 #43

OFFS. It was the COMEY LETTER. These "experts" need to ponder this graph: SunSeeker May 2017 #44

That's it exactly. WTH is going on? Is there a memory block or something? Clinton was well ahead... brush May 2017 #67

The analysis in the OP included top elements of Hillary's own campaign. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #117

It's strange, in fact it's getting ridiculous. Dems are attacking each other now. Look at Warren... brush May 2017 #122

Ain't that the truth. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #123

It was "stolen" many years ago when right-wingers... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #142

I'm thinking we'd also be foolish to get behind a certain attack dog senator as well brush May 2017 #147

I'm hoping for someone "new" on the scene. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #180

This is exactly what I saw coming Deb May 2017 #183

I was thinking... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #184

I wish we started a party campaign first, then the person Deb May 2017 #191

The polls this election cycle were crap, and your using them to frankieallen May 2017 #171

The polls were actually not too far off. They were spot on in CA. SunSeeker May 2017 #194

Yep! Economic justice. PatrickforO May 2017 #47

Did these people BlueMTexpat May 2017 #48

Her base didn't turn out rock May 2017 #50

I know these guys are way smarter than me. mountain grammy May 2017 #57

People move for jobs: rust belt to sun belt IronLionZion May 2017 #64

Clintons Loss marieo1 May 2017 #70

Just another official conspiracy theory ucrdem May 2017 #73

Hillary lost because she had the worst campaign manager on the planet Snake Plissken May 2017 #74

Sanders outspent Clinton 2-1 on Michigan TV and we know how that turned out. ucrdem May 2017 #76

She ignored Wisconsin HelenWheels May 2017 #78

Why would we go to Wisconsin? yallerdawg May 2017 #110

GODDAMMIT! hurple May 2017 #81

You're so right. We can't fall victim to the "oh we ran such a horrible campaign... brush May 2017 #124

Those three million votes might have been on the moon for all the good they do us. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #128

Have they analyzed the 1000+Dem seats lost since 2010? delisen May 2017 #82

f*k Mcclatchy and this sudden media coverage telling us why Hillary lost, conveniently ignoring how still_one May 2017 #83

Exactly. Justice May 2017 #139

oh oh oh rtracey May 2017 #86

Hilary nearly matched Obama's vote totals from 2012 standingtall May 2017 #90

The Democratic Party ignored its most faithful - white middle class voters aged 45-65. tonyt53 May 2017 #92

I suppose.... moriah May 2017 #158

so what are the dems going to give up okieinpain May 2017 #93

I absolutely agree with this and have been saying it since the election. SpankMe May 2017 #94

Why are they lemmings? Jake Stern May 2017 #149

Kind of useless ismnotwasm May 2017 #95

It's never one reason. That doesn't mean individual reasons don't matter Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #100

'Much of the debate over how to move forward has centered on whether the party should try to win elleng May 2017 #126

Article after article about former Obama and current Trump voters in PA, MI, WI, etc... SMC22307 May 2017 #131

Clinton didn't lose. Get another clue, "Strategists." dchill May 2017 #127

Right. And Trump wasn't sworn in as President Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #135

Well, if THAT'S gonna be your metric... dchill May 2017 #179

LOL Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #185

Not sure if this is trolling. YoungDemCA May 2017 #200

Who, me? dchill May 2017 #204

Is there any polling proof treestar May 2017 #132

Yes. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #137

Where? treestar May 2017 #173

Did you read the article in the OP? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #174

No real proof treestar May 2017 #210

Jives with all the exit polls I saw. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #211

that does not say anything about people who had voted treestar May 2017 #214

Google "2012 presidential election county maps" and likewise for 2016. Look at the Rust Belt states. YoungDemCA May 2017 #206

Great to see some introspection and analysis taking place instead of just playing the blame game. jalan48 May 2017 #134

Incomplete analysis: Tell loss in terms of #s but voters switched from Obama to Trump Justice May 2017 #140

+1, every analysis that does NOT address Comey, Russia and voter suppression SHOULD be taken with uponit7771 May 2017 #165

It's not matter of opinion, this is a statistical analysis of the data, and they have a lot andym May 2017 #144

I just posted about this, only from Salon, discussing the same thing. lovemydogs May 2017 #146

The article says WHOM they lost, but NOT *why* they lost those voters. tblue37 May 2017 #172

"Her base didnt turn out, Donald Trumps did and the difference was too much to overcome." marybourg May 2017 #177

We can rehash this till the cows come home. There were a lot of variables YOHABLO May 2017 #178

She lost because key parts of the Obama coalition either stayed home or voted for other candidates. YoungDemCA May 2017 #201

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