Democrats say they now know exactly why Clinton lost

[AtheistCrusader]

168. It's not a dismissal. Feel free to stop making things up.

I didn't dismiss Hispanic votes. I identified the origins and demographics. How you read 'dismissal' into identifying WHY there was a huge spike in one state and whether it is RELEVANT to our ground game in other states, like Wisconsin, is not a dismissal. What is true of California is not true of Wisconsin. What is true of New York, is not true of Georgia, etc. That's reality, not dismissal.

We need to be able to FLIP electoral votes next time. Do you not understand that?

Not once did I say 'it didn't matter' or 'they don't matter' or any other dismissive nonsense. I simply highlighted that that one high turnout rate doesn't mean our platform and message is on target ANYWHERE ELSE. Meaning, I objected to YOUR assumption. I appreciate what happened in California. I am simply cautious using that state's results to assume the message/platform is sufficient at the national level. It's not. Within the context of that ONE specific question, the answer 'we won by three million votes' is fully meaningless. Not a slam on California. Not a slam on Hispanics. California can't win the national election for us. They couldn't have turned in a sufficiently stellar result to overturn it, because that's not how the Presidential race works.

We took a pounding nationwide at state level offices. Our message was NOT sufficient. Our platform either isn't delivering, or isn't good enough. We need to fix that NOW. You want to argue points I didn't make, talk to someone else. I'm not interested.


YOU said "Correct but it is a FALSE assumption to say that the "message" was wrong when almost 3,000,000 more voters agreed with it."

I'm saying 'that might not be what that 3 million person signal means'. You're assuming it's an endorsement of our platform. Our platform includes civil rights like same sex marriage. One that didn't resonate with said demographic when Proposition 8 was passed. If we can identify a group that turned out in huge numbers, and a reason why, and it explains that three million vote tally and an electoral LOSS, then maybe that three million votes isn't an endorsement of our platform at all. Maybe it's people reacting in well-justified fear that a bigot and a racist is about to take the white house while targeting YOU as part of HIS platform.


We CANNOT assume our message was right, or on target, or resonated with voters. 304 electoral votes say we didn't. We cannot lay all of that at the feet of one FBI director, or 'Russia', who of course meddles in all our elections just like we meddle in everyone else's, or Bernie bros, or Jill Stein, etc...

it's suicide to assume right now that we were ok on platform and message.



You might guess, if you read my user name, that non-Hispanic white Catholics are a problem for me. They rolled for Trump in this election, statistically speaking even in California, but fortunately not in sufficient numbers to flip the state.