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In reply to the discussion: When minority voters don't flock to a candidate, we're told we just don't know enough about them and [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)105. First, let me get where you are right out of the way. I way overstated something and didn't realize
what I'd done until I was about to respond here. You are right that what I stated was Sander's base is not his base. I conflated something which I should not have. Those are his favorables, which is an entirely different number. Some of those favorables would absolutely be from people who favored Clinton even more. It says something about who he appeals to, but not about who preferred him or who should be considered his base.
But again, I never pointed to those numbers to suggest that Sanders knows best. Go back and read the context in which it was brought up. That was not my point. That was not my intention. And it was not in my language.
You didn't say anything about priorities, but you were saying that Sanders platform isn't in certain demographics best interests, and I wanted to know on what issues. I just did a couple lists as places where I think Sanders is good, and wanted to know if you thought he was bad on those things.
And one thing I wish you would get through your head is that I can't learn if I can't express my opinion on the subject. You want to relegate my opinion to me telling others what they should think. NO! It's what I think. I want to hear what others think otherwise I wouldn't be posting on a DISCUSSION BOARD. You think that if something is said that is distasteful to your sensibilities, that that automatically means I'm telling others that this is the right way to be or to think, but that is just off the mark. Again, I am expressing where I am on a subject. I am asking somebody who is elsewhere to show me where they disagree, or where they can point out things I missed. Tell you what....why don't you tell me how you would go about discussing a topic when you're in disagreement? I clearly shouldn't use your own posts as examples.
That line you quoted by the way, was me talking about criticism levied at Obama. I said criticism levied at Obama needs to be tempered with the unique challenges he faced as our first black president, and that when they are not, those criticisms run the risk of alienating the base. Hopefully I finally cleared that up for you.
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When minority voters don't flock to a candidate, we're told we just don't know enough about them and [View all]
EffieBlack
May 2017
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Yep. Those so called-Obama/Trump voters made it clear who they support, and still support...
brush
May 2017
#1
I have seen and noted it in the past. You don't need to take my word for it
Tom Rinaldo
May 2017
#28
Yss without that specific sort there clearly would be overlap between ideology and racial catagories
Tom Rinaldo
May 2017
#34
I understand that you didn't mean 'numerical' minority. I hope you didn't think I thought you did...
ehrnst
May 2017
#37
I think you're right that minority Democratic voters have been taken for granted.
aikoaiko
May 2017
#26
It isn't that white voters are a "must" do because they are more important in any way.
JCanete
May 2017
#49
Some policies perpetuate existing inequities- favoring free college while leaving lower levels of
bettyellen
May 2017
#55
I don't think that Sanders is leaving the lower end schools to fend for themselves, and when you
JCanete
May 2017
#56
That is not what I said, nor what such legislation would do. It would make the rich
JCanete
May 2017
#64
I'm confused as I put no words in your mouth? I said Sanders revised his platform to
bettyellen
May 2017
#73
Cool, definitely worth discussing more. The only thing I was saying I did not say was your own
JCanete
May 2017
#74
No, is love more money to go to education but the inequity at lower grades is astounding....
bettyellen
May 2017
#76
I agree that's huge. Higher education does not give redress to that, even if, I still believe, it
JCanete
May 2017
#79
You know the overlap is so huge w Sanders and Hillary it makes me NUTS to hear
bettyellen
May 2017
#86
again, not dismissing anything. Point to my dismissal, not your broad interpretation of my post as
JCanete
May 2017
#62
no, from the start you totally misread me. I'll read on to see what else you misread, but
JCanete
May 2017
#60
Okay, here's one thing that irritates me, and I'm not sure this is the fault of the media or
JCanete
May 2017
#65
what does that even mean? Everybody thinks they know better, especially if they are a politician.
JCanete
May 2017
#70
First, let me get where you are right out of the way. I way overstated something and didn't realize
JCanete
May 2017
#105
The states rights federal rights issues is almost always in the eye of who is benefiting today.
JCanete
May 2017
#75
No, when you look into it you'll find out Sanders used the states rights argument
pnwmom
May 2017
#81
Once again, if they were too comfortable with the so-called "status quo", wouldn't it be helpful...
George II
May 2017
#91
No, I'm not saying they were right of center, I'm saying Obama went that extra mile to try to get
JCanete
May 2017
#102
It is not promising what can't be achieved. Saying "elect me and I will do this," is totally not the
JCanete
May 2017
#107
It is pretty rich to have two New England-based members of the country's most exclusive club
EffieBlack
May 2017
#93