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LAGC

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99. It's precisely those traits that make Bernie such a great candidate.

Wed May 17, 2017, 11:24 AM

May 2017

We do need to win some of those swing-state Trump voters back if we hope to recapture the presidency.

Bernie speaks to their frustrations, and helps them realize that Trump sold them a false bill of goods.

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Democrats divide on Bernie's 2020 plans [View all] DonViejo May 2017 OP

Ugh Blue_Adept May 2017 #1

We have learned nothing! nikibatts May 2017 #30

That is the problem, when you put out a Medicare For All Bill, that we of course ALL Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #2

whether it passes or not, it gets the issue out there, and makes Dems being corrupted by insurance yurbud May 2017 #4

But he trashes Dems for being pragmatic and then eventually gets around to it himself... bettyellen May 2017 #8

"pragmatic" is too often a euphemism for corrupt. Is it confusing because you want a candidate who yurbud May 2017 #15

the broadbrushing of anyone who takes campaign contributions as "corrupt" is bullshit. bettyellen May 2017 #23

outside the beltway, taking money and after office, taking JOBS from industries they served yurbud May 2017 #136

Is throwing women's control of their own bodies under the bus not corrupt then? Steven Maurer May 2017 #29

considering how Democrats got their asses handed to them at nearly all levels in 2016... yurbud May 2017 #17

That's quite an exaggeration bettyellen May 2017 #32

how many governorships and state legislatures do they control? How did they do in House & Senate? yurbud May 2017 #49

2012 was worse because they had a backlash on Obamacare bettyellen May 2017 #57

I think Obamacare was overall positive, but it was complicated enough that most people couldn't tell yurbud May 2017 #141

That is untrue...Hillary won more votes...and we made gains in the Senate...and Demsrule86 May 2017 #109

I hate to read posts like yours because it is not true. Demsrule86 May 2017 #148

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and harder to elect them and electing more GOP instead which is what happens in purple states Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #10

wow. people in purple and red states don't like Medicare? and LOVE private insurance? yurbud May 2017 #21

So republicans are going to vote for democrats? Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #22

swing voters might. masquerading as Republican lites won't fool Repubs anymore yurbud May 2017 #41

Then how do you explain Joe Manchin and several others in similar situations? Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #43

I explain Manchin as somebody who just added his consent to Gorsuch's JCanete May 2017 #115

They care more about their cultural anxiety- how do you prose we deal bettyellen May 2017 #33

if you have a real economic agenda for them, they might put that in the backseat like some did yurbud May 2017 #45

We actually DID get the "economically anxious" voters. We just need more who don't hate us as the bettyellen May 2017 #63

More people still have employer insurance...and those who oppose it would throw everything but the Demsrule86 May 2017 #110

I made a point about this discussing UNCLE TOM'S CABIN with my students yurbud May 2017 #134

Oh please spare me...the fact is unless we have a super majority and probably not even then, Demsrule86 May 2017 #137

I agree about gradually lowering the age of Medicare...that should have been built into ACA yurbud May 2017 #138

It is the easiest least dangerous way to keep our elected...and I wonder if it can be done Demsrule86 May 2017 #150

If we should have learned anything from the Bush years forward... yurbud May 2017 #151

Why don't Democrats ever learn the right lessons from Republicans? yurbud May 2017 #139

I don't think anyone noticed the single payer bill outside of already committed Democrats. Demsrule86 May 2017 #149

Arguably, one way to save single payer is to tell Republicans, "You fuck up ACA, you've set us up... yurbud May 2017 #153

They won't believe you...they know how unlikely we will have the power to do that. Demsrule86 May 2017 #158

I would argue that Democrats should have (& still could) use that to rein in insurance co. greed yurbud May 2017 #154

Your suggestions have merit when we have power again ...not now. Demsrule86 May 2017 #157

If Dems win strictly on being not Trump, they can say they have a mandate to do A,B, & C instead of yurbud May 2017 #159

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Put up or delete your post.. What Dems are "corrupted" Cha May 2017 #89

No it makes the ACA a little less safe and since everyone knows single payer is a non-starter for Demsrule86 May 2017 #108

or it gives people a reason to vote for Democrats. yurbud May 2017 #140

They had that reason in 16 and it didn't work. Demsrule86 May 2017 #146

you don't generate enthusiasm by calling the base of party activists stupid...also, repealing ACA... yurbud May 2017 #155

I am a liberal Democrat who has had to pay out $16,000 in medical in the last two years who would Demsrule86 May 2017 #156

if we can do wars and trade deals and privatize public education at the same time... yurbud May 2017 #160

Justice Dems have only one non-negotiable: corruption yurbud May 2017 #161

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you do need to explain why it is suicide, to me. When we aren't in control JCanete May 2017 #112

Sure, I will explain. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #125

but it hurts our whole product..it hurts our whole brand. If we are more consistent JCanete May 2017 #131

Oh for Gods sake. ismnotwasm May 2017 #3

We really need some new faces for the Dem party. n/t cynatnite May 2017 #135

Since a Dem candidate's age is no big deal, Biden should be considered oasis May 2017 #5

I don't think age should disqualify either Sanders or Biden. My two favorite candidates are StevieM May 2017 #12

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An Inslee/Warren or Biden/ Becerra ticket work work for me. nt oasis May 2017 #16

I like Xavier Becerra a lot too!! I had wanted him to be HRC's running mate in 2016. StevieM May 2017 #18

Yup, that has the look of a winning combo, but the #1 job oasis May 2017 #25

I like Becerra also, don't know much about Inslee. brush May 2017 #83

i would rather have a good president for a year or two than a shitty one for eight yurbud May 2017 #47

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Since Sanders is not a Dem we don't have to worry. He's certainly not going to be allowed to... brush May 2017 #31

As Sergei Lavrov would put it, "Bernie is not yet a Democrat?.... oasis May 2017 #36

if Democrats try that, they could find themselves coming in third in a presidential election yurbud May 2017 #44

Not a chance. His diviseness and campaigh-long attacks on the party helped trump to get in brush May 2017 #66

some people were leery of Hillary without Bernie in the picture. As an educator, I didn't look yurbud May 2017 #67

No one cares about party labels. DLC/centrists have tarnished the Democratic brand by buying into yurbud May 2017 #68

You are projecting your viewpoint onto other people stevenleser May 2017 #70

that's what it should mean and more, but particularly on economic issues... yurbud May 2017 #73

That is not true about Democrats; that is true of all Republicans & most Libertarians/Indies. SunSeeker May 2017 #100

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+1 Jamaal510 May 2017 #81

The candidate's age IS a big deal maxsolomon May 2017 #34

"who said it wasn't." You asked. oasis May 2017 #40

79 years old. 79. SEVENTY-NINE. maxsolomon May 2017 #50

that is assuming issues don't matter. Sanders didn't get as far as he did on charm and looks yurbud May 2017 #46

Making an issue of a candidate's age is showing a prejudice which is simply wrong Samantha May 2017 #122

concern over sander's age is not ageism. it's not "looks", it's health. maxsolomon May 2017 #127

Adverse health issues impact people of all ages Samantha May 2017 #130

DUers have consistently held to this line maxsolomon May 2017 #133

He's using the unity tour to build up another list he won't share? It's quite a one way street bettyellen May 2017 #6

Oh you mean the Orwellean "untiy" tour? Cha May 2017 #77

Sanders doesn't need to change a thing in order to easily win the next primary. NCTraveler May 2017 #11

I completely agree. Nt. Else You Are Mad May 2017 #28

Democrats will have to try very hard to lose in 2020, but it can be done. yurbud May 2017 #48

You underestimate the anger most Democrats have for him Steven Maurer May 2017 #64

I think many underestimate the size of his base. NCTraveler May 2017 #84

I disagree. Stick a fork in Sanders. Steven Maurer May 2017 #107

Well right now he has an 80% likability rating among democrats. JCanete May 2017 #116

Really? OilemFirchen May 2017 #65

There were really only two candidates in '16. NCTraveler May 2017 #85

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"This is what everyone thought about Hillary in 2008." NCTraveler May 2017 #93

NO.. BS does Not Win "automatically" Cha May 2017 #78

Nothing is ever automatic in politics. NCTraveler May 2017 #94

He's too divisive... Cha May 2017 #95

Bet you one thing, he won't be invited to run as a Dem. Plus he'll be looking at 80. brush May 2017 #80

"he won't be invited to run as a Dem." NCTraveler May 2017 #92

ugh...time for Democrats to focus less on the label and more on the brand. JCanete May 2017 #117

Well, a lot of Democrats care. And no one is looking forward to voting for someone who's looking... brush May 2017 #119

This is nothing at all like saying "it's his turn..." LanternWaste May 2017 #91

A lot of his wins came from caucuses, though. LisaM May 2017 #101

Please let's get through the midterms first! mwooldri May 2017 #13

That is exactly right. I don't know who is proliferating these stories, or even if Sanders is still_one May 2017 #27

"he tends to dismiss the discussion about 2020 as dumb" Bernie is right nt geek tragedy May 2017 #19

funniest line in that article: "The fact that Tom Perez has given Sanders a platform..." yurbud May 2017 #20

Never gonna happen. JTFrog May 2017 #24

At 79 how healthy will he be? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2017 #26

Ya think? maxsolomon May 2017 #35

I'll take Bernie at 100.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #37

the most successful con artists have a knack for finding easy marks. nt msongs May 2017 #38

My grandfather is 79 Abu Pepe May 2017 #39

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I'm not worried about it, since he can't organize for shit. Starry Messenger May 2017 #51

That's odd. LAGC May 2017 #60

54% is a larger number than 46%, last time I checked. Starry Messenger May 2017 #79

Politico must be laughing their ass off when they publish these kinds of articles... Trial_By_Fire May 2017 #52

It certainly inspired the usual Pavlovian frenzy here, didn't it? QC May 2017 #82

this article sounds pointless JI7 May 2017 #53

It is Politico. They want to divide Dems. riversedge May 2017 #54

So this is what I get from this article . . . Nanjeanne May 2017 #55

the more the merrier, the sooner the better Deb May 2017 #56

No more Bernie, Hillary, etc. Not even Warren. A new face, please! Oneironaut May 2017 #58

I wouldn't mind having Warren in the mix, but agree with the rest ofit. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #62

I'm not forget old fish.... Historic NY May 2017 #59

"planning to drag out his decision on whether to run."?? It's may of 2017, for fuck's sake. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #61

That's becasue his name became synonymous with dragging shit out.... bettyellen May 2017 #103

moving on is good. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #121

Yeah, it would be great if the games ended and he squashed speculation bettyellen May 2017 #128

I liked this quite Gothmog May 2017 #69

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At some point isn't "too old" a reasonable assessment????? nt LAS14 May 2017 #72

What A Showboater Me. May 2017 #76

Can we PLEASE fucking focus on 2018 FIRST? Blue_Tires May 2017 #86

Yeah, and forget about BS' whatever. Cha May 2017 #87

Bernie agrees with you. Nanjeanne May 2017 #90

It's time to make way for new talent BainsBane May 2017 #97

I don't think it will be Sanders next time around, but what ideas would you like to hear? JCanete May 2017 #118

I'd like someone who focuses on BainsBane May 2017 #120

Who is trying to move the country back half a century? I have a feeling that when it comes to civil JCanete May 2017 #123

No, actually I won't have to be more specific BainsBane May 2017 #129

fair enough. nt JCanete May 2017 #132

The record of Sanders is pretty clear. redgreenandblue May 2017 #143

No thanks Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #98

It's precisely those traits that make Bernie such a great candidate. LAGC May 2017 #99

No way GitRDun May 2017 #102

I like Bernie and all, but.............. serbbral May 2017 #104

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Agreed serbbral May 2017 #106

shitty article throwing a lot of blatant shade, from the jet comments JCanete May 2017 #113

lol he's going to lose in 2020 for the same reasons he lost in 2016 La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #124

Fun fact: Sanders narrowly won African Americans below the age of 30 in the primaries. redgreenandblue May 2017 #142

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We need someone younger ! Are we TRYING to lose or what? luvMIdog May 2017 #126

This is Politico making up a story where none exists oberliner May 2017 #144

I love Bernie. I really hope the FBI looking into his wife turns up nothing. GBizzle May 2017 #147

This is a shit-stirring article by a RW blog Fiendish Thingy May 2017 #152