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Proud Liberal Dem

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3. *Barf*

Wed May 31, 2017, 09:47 AM

May 2017

Pelosi has been a strong and effective Congresswoman and Speaker of the House. Why the hell do (some) Democrats want to run away from that and/or treat her and like-minded Democrats as though they are toxic pariahs? Grrr......we don't need Republicans to destroy our party. We have our own circular firing squad.

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Tired of losing the Rust Belt, new Democratic group has strategy to un-Pelosi the party [View all] LWolf May 2017 OP

This pisses me right off. Coventina May 2017 #1

Yes, we are toxic amongst WWC voters geek tragedy May 2017 #6

Well, I can say right now, that if the Democratic party throws me under the bus Coventina May 2017 #9

it's mostly superficial, the idea is to give WWC voters in the Midwest and South geek tragedy May 2017 #20

But what does that mean, exactly? Coventina May 2017 #29

it's more style than substance, but style matters. geek tragedy May 2017 #31

OK, let's go with this: How should the Democratic Party communicate with uneducated whites? Coventina May 2017 #36

This is a continuation of the Russian attack... Blanks May 2017 #83

best people to ask are those who have succeeded in getting votes from those folks geek tragedy May 2017 #117

Can you give me an example? n/t Coventina May 2017 #150

Probably Sherrod Brown. nt geek tragedy May 2017 #151

I love Sherrod Brown. Coventina May 2017 #153

as I said, it's more about style and tone than it is about policy geek tragedy May 2017 #164

This group seems more likely to primary Brown than turn to him for advice. OilemFirchen May 2017 #172

WI is more liberal than Ohio geek tragedy May 2017 #173

Sometimes. OilemFirchen May 2017 #174

OH is a lot more swingy. geek tragedy May 2017 #175

And right now Ohio is less knuckledraggy. OilemFirchen May 2017 #178

re: Baldwin, she's only run one statewide race. geek tragedy May 2017 #181

I agree and they need to know that there are some embedded views that they are considered karynnj May 2017 #74

I agree that the main considerations for 2020 are (1) clean and (2) talented/likeable. geek tragedy May 2017 #114

So a conservadem tabula rasa like Tim Ryan? emulatorloo May 2017 #121

more like Booker or Gillibrand or Klobuchar. nt geek tragedy May 2017 #122

Ok n/t emulatorloo May 2017 #123

I agree, but is "clean" achievable in the era of "her e-mails" campaigns? nt LAS14 May 2017 #168

Obama managed to keep squeaky clean geek tragedy May 2017 #171

There's one word in there... qwlauren35 Jun 2017 #213

Do You Think There Are More People In Individual Rust Belt Towns? Me. May 2017 #41

You're making the point for that poster. Ace Rothstein May 2017 #73

Not Quite Me. May 2017 #77

It's a by product of the electoral college Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #75

there are more swing voters in those towns. geek tragedy May 2017 #108

What May Have Been Seems To Be Changing Me. May 2017 #125

at the end of the day we need to get to 270 EVs and 218 members in the House nt geek tragedy May 2017 #126

Maybe someone needs to wake the WWC voters and tell them Repub policies can't only affect PoC BlueCaliDem May 2017 #140

The "culturally anxious" need to snap out of it. bettyellen May 2017 #141

if only it were that simple, unfortunately persuading them is much more difficult nt geek tragedy May 2017 #142

I completely agree Stinky The Clown May 2017 #7

Yep. The whole idea is divisive bullshit. We did not lose what was stolen. Fuck this. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #14

Me, too. I mean, put any Dem up and they'll be as demonized with millions of $$'s as our current BlueCaliDem May 2017 #55

I agree 100%. I posted below that it as if these folks have surrendered to the emulatorloo May 2017 #106

Right there with you. DURHAM D May 2017 #11

Interesting. ananda May 2017 #69

I agree. This is stupid. yardwork May 2017 #53

Artical is misleading yet again. It's not the Working Class Whites that are fleeing the party. haele May 2017 #79

I agree Gothmog May 2017 #127

yeah, what you said. count me out. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #155

I'm sure it does. LWolf Jun 2017 #194

So what is the "new" Democrat going to stand for that the Dem. platform doesn't Coventina Jun 2017 #199

Well, LWolf Jun 2017 #209

So....why does that require getting rid of Nancy Pelosi? Coventina Jun 2017 #210

Pelosi LWolf Jun 2017 #216

+1000 nt riderinthestorm Jun 2017 #215

Except Pelosi is not the problem Dems face in the Rust Belt. LonePirate May 2017 #2

It's not but they need to start pushing some of these younger leaders Thrill May 2017 #54

But every Democrat running is associated with her by the GOP crazycatlady May 2017 #70

*Barf* Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #3

"A different kind of democrat"?? mhw May 2017 #4

And now they control all branches of government. awesomerwb1 May 2017 #37

? To the destruction of our our nation. Yippee. mhw May 2017 #87

Didn't say it's a good thing so calm down. awesomerwb1 May 2017 #100

Exposed a crack??! No he created it. mhw May 2017 #102

+1000 murielm99 May 2017 #188

Thank you. mhw May 2017 #189

Not that I have ever been a fan but... moda253 Jun 2017 #191

Yes. LWolf Jun 2017 #196

"a party that fights for an economy that serves the 99%, not the oligarchy". mhw Jun 2017 #197

That's a two-way street. nt LWolf Jun 2017 #207

Let's throw the most successful Speaker in recent history under the bus mcar May 2017 #5

This is fucking drivel. Greybnk48 May 2017 #8

Oh good lord! This shit needs to stop. NurseJackie May 2017 #10

Funny Gif, Jackie! ProfessorGAC May 2017 #81

Pointless. Thank you. mhw May 2017 #109

LOL Gothmog May 2017 #129

The website to Peoples House Project. . . DinahMoeHum May 2017 #12

Krystal Ball! Me. May 2017 #18

Krystal Ball: born, educated and stood for office on the coast (Virginia), now moved to Kentucky muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #61

I View Her As An Opportunist Me. May 2017 #80

I enjoyed watching Joy Reid deal with Ms Ball Gothmog May 2017 #131

My "people" live in the mid-west and they ARE a different kind of Democrat justiceischeap May 2017 #13

So, "a different kind of Democrat" means an ignorant one? Coventina May 2017 #17

That's because they're trying to provide for their families justiceischeap May 2017 #19

More fools, they. Maybe they should try educating themselves. WinkyDink May 2017 #22

More fools, you. justiceischeap May 2017 #40

Citizenship has its responsibilities. WE are the government. Coventina May 2017 #62

Oh, rilly? WinkyDink May 2017 #165

That might be true...but Pelosi very good Speaker has nothing to do with this. Demsrule86 May 2017 #26

I'm Sick To Death Of These Self Appointed Dems Me. May 2017 #15

Ryan is up for re-election in a state that went double digits for Trump. Demsrule86 May 2017 #35

Revisiting NAFTA Will Not Provide Jobs Me. May 2017 #44

You have to keep promises...I have also suggested we need a plan for manufacturing and other jobs Demsrule86 May 2017 #64

I Agree That Promises Must Be Kept Me. May 2017 #82

NAFTA needs to be adjusted...in terms of wages paid in Mexico...you need to have Demsrule86 May 2017 #144

Wages Are An Issue Me. May 2017 #166

I am very familiar with robotics...but the Lordstown Ohio jobs have Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #192

US Manufacturing output has gone up by $800 Billion AFTER NAFTA Motownman78 May 2017 #132

No it has not. They count all sorts of things...like farming and they count stuff made overseas and Demsrule86 May 2017 #143

Here is a link for US Manufacturing Motownman78 May 2017 #146

The opening paragraph... Demsrule86 May 2017 #148

Our gerrymander has been overturned in Wisconsin Greybnk48 May 2017 #56

That is great news!!!!!! Demsrule86 May 2017 #60

16 paragraphs that say nothing. Orsino May 2017 #16

"distinguish themselves from the national party." Who's advising them, some Republican? WinkyDink May 2017 #21

I wonder the same thing -- ATL Ebony May 2017 #93

My old man had a ninth grade education and died at 58 putting up road signs in the hot Florida sun. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #23

Democrats definitely need to work on the messaging NobodyHere May 2017 #24

HRC didn't? WinkyDink May 2017 #27

I live on the Ohio/Michigan border NobodyHere May 2017 #34

And they will turn on him Motownman78 May 2017 #133

We need to stop running away from ourselves. dawg May 2017 #25

I agree with you. Ryan is my congressman...and Trump took Trumbull county. Demsrule86 May 2017 #38

Amen Me. May 2017 #46

The thing is, for the Rust Belt, we NEED moderate Dems justiceischeap Jun 2017 #203

Yes, but we can do that without trashing other Dems in the process. dawg Jun 2017 #205

Fox News style analysis. NCTraveler May 2017 #28

I'm sure Pelosi will not be a problem for most of ya... Txbluedog May 2017 #30

I don't know anyone who thinks she perfect I think the word was qualified Ohioblue22 May 2017 #33

Really? I have myself have been referred to the moderators here if I dared to cirtisize her during Txbluedog May 2017 #42

Really...that sounds really odd to me. Demsrule86 May 2017 #47

Yes it was Txbluedog May 2017 #50

That's because every issue you bring up was not Hillary's issue. Coventina May 2017 #63

And these are the people now promoting the "get rid of Pelosi" meme? mhw May 2017 #98

Whitewater was a bs smear propaganda campaign against the Clinton's, by .. mhw May 2017 #91

so your spouse cheats on you and it is your fault? Good to know. emulatorloo May 2017 #97

And why should Bill Clinton's infidelity's be discussed? It is a personal matter Demsrule86 May 2017 #145

Because Bill wasn't running- a successful former Sec of State was.... bettyellen May 2017 #161

The cons have been investigating her "baggage " for 25 years Ohioblue22 May 2017 #66

That is total BS...Nancy did not lose the speakership...Democratic voters who failed to show up Demsrule86 May 2017 #39

So they failed to show up in 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016...... Txbluedog May 2017 #43

After the census in 2010 (gerrymander) combined with the banning of big Dem donors, Demsrule86 May 2017 #45

Post removed Post removed May 2017 #48

Thank you. mhw May 2017 #110

Yes she is perfect actually...no one could have held her caucus as she has... Demsrule86 May 2017 #49

I hope that most democrats don't think like you Txbluedog May 2017 #51

I hope most Democrats think like me...so that we can win once more. Demsrule86 May 2017 #65

What do you think Speaker Pelosi should have done differently? dawg May 2017 #52

We left coasters await Tim Ryan showing up in CA to fund raise stopbush May 2017 #32

Counting on our CA Dems to drive that point home mhw May 2017 #116

I'm a left-coaster, LWolf Jun 2017 #193

One More Thing About NP Me. May 2017 #57

Pretty comical how the old guard bristles at any notion they have a problem DefenseLawyer May 2017 #58

It's not that, I'm just not completely sold on this 'solution'... Blue_Tires May 2017 #72

The thing that bothers me.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #85

Not this makes perfect sense to me ismnotwasm May 2017 #90

Who the fuck is this "old guard" ismnotwasm May 2017 #89

Pretty comical when folks think the key to moving the party left is by purging liberals emulatorloo May 2017 #94

Tim Ryan's been in office for fourteen years. OilemFirchen May 2017 #179

You folks are nothing if not entertaining DefenseLawyer May 2017 #180

"You folks". OilemFirchen May 2017 #185

That's how we roll in the tenure party BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #201

they are ok with new yorkers like Trump JI7 May 2017 #59

This group seems to have bought the Republican frame of what a Democrat is. alarimer May 2017 #67

No need to attack Pelosi, the Gop do that already. Never use Republican framing except... That Guy 888 May 2017 #68

Weird that Ball and Ryan appear to have surrendered to the right-wing lie machine emulatorloo May 2017 #105

Midwesterner (Detroit born) here. This is bullshit Freethinker65 May 2017 #71

You got it! Chipper Chat May 2017 #84

Bingo.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #86

Another one from Michigan here, grew up in Flint. Totally agree. kcr May 2017 #95

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #182

All we need to recapture the White House and Congress is Trump stevenleser May 2017 #76

I think this, but I'm insecure about it ismnotwasm May 2017 #92

I am not so sure about this? kentuck May 2017 #111

He kept talking about jobs Motownman78 May 2017 #135

Why don't they just admit they're Republicans instead? nolabear May 2017 #78

Their only purpose is to dismantle all power against fascism. mhw May 2017 #113

Oh for God sake. ismnotwasm May 2017 #88

Crystal Ball again- she's full of shit. bettyellen May 2017 #96

She joined on of those primary Dem groups...waste of time and money... Demsrule86 May 2017 #159

Makes sense to her, if she's paid and gets attention. bettyellen May 2017 #160

The problem is that... Else You Are Mad May 2017 #99

Pelosi got more done as Speaker of the House... chillfactor May 2017 #101

Go ahead, Rep Ryan and Ms Ball, purge Pelosi. Gop'ers will move on and Demonize another Dem. emulatorloo May 2017 #103

No kidding. Seriously, radicals and reactionaries prefer losing Hortensis May 2017 #107

Ryan's a relatively conservative Dem. He wants Pelosi's job. emulatorloo May 2017 #115

Hear! Hear! Tim Ryan and Ms. Ball need to STOP ATTACKING Democrats. Look at the good it did us BlueCaliDem May 2017 #112

Rep Ryan's relatively conservative. I just don't think he's thinking this through emulatorloo May 2017 #119

I don't actually have him pegged, Emulatorloo, Hortensis May 2017 #130

Ryan's ok by me. emulatorloo May 2017 #134

Lol. Logic does not rule, of course. Hortensis May 2017 #137

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #183

I've wanted to purge Pelosi LWolf Jun 2017 #195

Whatever. Purging liberals is a dumb idea if one wishes to pull the party to the left. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #200

Whatever. LWolf Jun 2017 #206

She has a voting record. It is left/liberal emulatorloo Jun 2017 #208

Well, she's certainly LWolf Jun 2017 #211

Thanks for the links, I appreciate you taking the time to do that. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #212

"A different kind of Democrat" - what's that, a Republican? 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #104

Yep... that's definitely "code talk". I don't like the sound of it either. It suggests to me... NurseJackie May 2017 #152

Same here... Democrats who protect women's reproductive rights, for starters! 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #167

$%&* this. Scurrilous May 2017 #118

I would agree that the Democrats need new faces in leadership. kentuck May 2017 #120

Plenty of scattered observations Awsi Dooger May 2017 #124

Return of the Dixiecrats is what it will take to attract white wingers. Not for that. Hoyt May 2017 #128

Democrats do poorly nationally because the state parties are pitiful Azathoth May 2017 #136

Ok, so what makes them different? Bradical79 May 2017 #138

"I'm a different kind of Democrat". Well, well well...... R B Garr May 2017 #139

2 and a half decades ago..... vi5 May 2017 #157

But back then, the GOP had a stranglehold on topics such as family values R B Garr May 2017 #163

Hold your noses, people. We're in a crisis. Tatiana May 2017 #147

I agree that we do need to be less of a coastal party mvd May 2017 #149

Or how about we....you know.....find politicians who can sell progressive policies vi5 May 2017 #154

I am from Michigan and I am culturally liberal. muntrv May 2017 #156

how about making the case for liberalism, instead of trying to deny that we are liberal? nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #158

So we should dump Pelosi in favor of assholes like Tim Ryan? Not on board for that, at ALL. Tarheel_Dem May 2017 #162

Nancy Pelosi brought us the affordable care act. LAS14 May 2017 #169

Not you, but the premise is bullshit.... George II May 2017 #170

Honestly... bresue May 2017 #176

What? betsuni May 2017 #177

Steering the Democratic Party towards conservatism is not the answer Tarc May 2017 #184

Sounds like DLC 2.0. QC May 2017 #186

Yeah, that's right just run from the date who brought you to the party. Nancy did her job in Congres nikibatts May 2017 #187

Bullshit. The answer is NOT to desperately try and figure out who to throw under the bus. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #190

There is nothing wrong with Pelosi or being liberal, and these people suck obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #198

What are they planning, wearing holsters and chewing tobacco? Playing Ted Nugent? WinkyDink Jun 2017 #202

Hey everybody let's get stupid . Don't worry there will be people to walk you through it lunasun Jun 2017 #204

We do NOT need to change what we stand for DFW Jun 2017 #214

Nancy Pelosi Rejects Single Payer Being Added to Democratic Party Platform LWolf Jun 2017 #217