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onenote

(42,854 posts)
59. Uhhhh. The rules of the Committee and the House?
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 10:05 AM
Jun 2017

They're pretty clear. For example, Ethics Committee Rule 24 ("Sanction Hearing and Consideration of Sanctions or Other Recommendations&quot sets forth in some detail the rules governing the process by which the Committee, if after an adjudicatory hearing, finds that a "Statement of Violation" has been "proved", can RECOMMEND to the full House that some sanction be imposed on a Member. One of those sanctions expressly listed is: (5) Denial or limitation of any right, power, privilege, or immunity of the Member if under the Constitution the House of Representatives may impose such denial or limitation. The only action identified that the Committee itself can take directly is the adoption of a Letter of Reproval. (Also see Committee Rule 10).

In addition to the above, the House Rules contain pages upon pages of very detailed rules governing both the Ethics Committee and the Intelligence Committee. The rule governing the Ethics Committee (XI(3) states that The committee may recommend to the House from time to time such administrative actions as it may consider appropriate to establish or enforce standards of official conduct for Members, Delegates, the Resident Commissioner, officers, and employ- ees of the House. A letter of reproval or other administrative action of the committee pursuant to an investigation under subparagraph (2) shall only be issued or implemented as a part of a report required by such subparagraph.

The rules governing the Intelligence Committee (X(11)(4) and (5) state
that the committee "shall investigate any unauthorized disclosure of intelligence or intelligence-related information by a Member...and report to the House concerning any allegation that it finds to be unsubstantiated....If, at the conclusion of its investigation, the Committee on Ethics determines that there has been a significant breach of confidentiality or unauthorized disclosure by a Member...it shall report its findings to the House and recommend appropriate action.

In all of these detailed rules there is not one word suggesting that the Ethics Committee itself has the authority to impose any restriction or other sanction on a member being investigated, let alone do so before the investigation has been fully completed and a decision reached pursuant to the committee's specific procedural rules.

You seem to be of the view that an entity of government has the power to do anything that is not expressly, by rule, denied to it, even if the rules governing that entity contain very specific grants of authority. I doubt that you actually hold to that view generally. It certainly is a view that I would expect Mr. Trump to hold -- that unless and until someone can show him where he is expressly barred from doing something, he has the power to do it.

+1 Me. Jun 2017 #1
I'll believe that when it comes from a real news source. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #2
What you said. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #10
Ditto, sounds like unreliable information Kleveland Jun 2017 #11
Right. This story is two days old and I haven't seen it picked up anywhere else. Surely it would Midnight Writer Jun 2017 #13
It's been more than 2 months since he let slip the classified info -- pnwmom Jun 2017 #15
Like I said - I'll believe this when it turns up on a real news source. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #16
If you make a financial contributions to her account that will grantcart Jun 2017 #26
Ah. I see. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #30
well that sounds like happy news nt msongs Jun 2017 #3
House intelligence chair gets security clearance revoked. How awesome is that! unblock Jun 2017 #4
Isn't Trump the only one who can do that? n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #5
no. the president does not grant or remove clearances. drray23 Jun 2017 #8
I asked because I heard on MSNBC that Dems were demanding that Kushner's clearance be... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #52
I've got news for you FBaggins Jun 2017 #61
I hope this comes to fruition, I truly do. FlightRN Jun 2017 #6
Give horse a new set of shoes and a Bon Voyage party Warpy Jun 2017 #7
He has abused his security clearance, his games he has played with trump was not Thinkingabout Jun 2017 #9
K & R L. Coyote Jun 2017 #12
Is there another source to this story? kentuck Jun 2017 #14
Not that I could find. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #18
If it is not on CNN or MSNBC... kentuck Jun 2017 #20
The people who are doing the real digging are at the Washington Post and the NY Times. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #22
True. kentuck Jun 2017 #58
Um, patriobotics is a crackpot website. PSPS Jun 2017 #17
hah crackpotics, if you will tandem5 Jun 2017 #21
More Mensch Bullshit: Members of Congress don't have to get security clearances onenote Jun 2017 #19
Page 4 talks about them not needing security clearances, pnwmom Jun 2017 #23
FFS. Members of Congress don't go through background checks or get clearances. Period. onenote Jun 2017 #25
That's kind of scary when you consider some of the people who are in the House.... The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #27
Maybe so, but its always been this way. onenote Jun 2017 #28
They don't receive the same security clearances other people do. pnwmom Jun 2017 #32
But that's not what Mensch's gossip item says. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #36
No, you misquoted her. pnwmom Jun 2017 #38
But he never had a TOP SECRET clearance to revoke! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #42
And what does that have to do with what Mensch wrote. Nothing. onenote Jun 2017 #39
Wrong. She did not say he had his security clearance revoked. pnwmom Jun 2017 #40
He never had a TOP SECRET clearance to revoke! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #43
I'll try one more time. Members of Congress don't get security clearances. onenote Jun 2017 #44
Where is your link showing that they have access to even the highest levels pnwmom Jun 2017 #37
Where is your link that says they don't? onenote Jun 2017 #41
None of the links here have addressed the issue of consequences, pnwmom Jun 2017 #47
I give up. Believe what you want. One of these days you'll realize what a fraud Mensch is. onenote Jun 2017 #49
The intelligence committees are given classified info as needed for their work. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #29
So, since he recused himself, they shouldn't be giving him materials pnwmom Jun 2017 #33
They give the information to the committees, which are responsible The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #34
True; classified materials given to congressional committees are handled like this: The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #24
Your second link says, "The legal ramifications are murky." pnwmom Jun 2017 #35
The paragraph you cite about consequences relates to staffers, who DO have to get clearances. onenote Jun 2017 #46
I agree the wording was confusing, but House members DO receive training pnwmom Jun 2017 #48
It's not confusing to anyone but you. onenote Jun 2017 #50
Thanks for this. I don't understand why Mensch and BFF Claude Taylor, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #51
We DO know that Nunes is currently being investigated by the House Ethics pnwmom Jun 2017 #54
if this were true it would be all over the news. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #31
Once again, Mensch is publishing a "story" that can't be true. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #45
Have you forgotten that the House Ethics Committee is currently investigating pnwmom Jun 2017 #53
The House Ethics Committee doesn't impose sanctions, it recommends them onenote Jun 2017 #55
If they have limited his access to top secret or SCIF materials while they investigate pnwmom Jun 2017 #56
Uhhhh. The rules of the Committee and the House? onenote Jun 2017 #59
+1000 Cattledog Jun 2017 #57
Well, that sounds like big news, for sure. MineralMan Jun 2017 #60
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