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In reply to the discussion: "It increasingly looks like Russian hackers may have affected actual vote totals." [View all]usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)66. Don't forget the CONCERTED effort to discredit the exit poll data.
Election night 2000. Drudge Report in large red headlines "DON'T trust the exit polls."
Exit polls were use be news organizations for years to predict election night results.
The GOP has systematically disassembled our election system since 2000.
Hanging Chads was the bait that got the country to go to electronic voting systems.
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babylonsister
Jun 2017
OP
That was 538's reason for putting Trump's chances of winning higher than any other system.
wildeyed
Jun 2017
#91
So vote was hacked because Iranian nuclear centrifuges and the evil Diebold?!?!
wildeyed
Jun 2017
#104
Yes. Duh. Why would they stop short of that? I never believed they didn't. It just makes no sense
Amaryllis
Jun 2017
#41
So here is the question: Does the Dem leadership actually think they didn't or do they just want us
Amaryllis
Jun 2017
#87
In the Fifties and Sixties, when I was first following presidential elections as a kid...
maddiemom
Jun 2017
#186
If you use the machines, then you have the rigged count. Audits can be rigged too.
diva77
Jun 2017
#146
Yes! The say the devil's in the details - in this case, "proprietary" software.
sandensea
Jun 2017
#83
how can open source be transparent? machines/software are still vulnerable to tampering
diva77
Jun 2017
#177
No, but attempted tampering of the voting systems, the "bots" deluging social media, and the DU Hack
SharonAnn
Jun 2017
#95
Yes, yes, without Absolute Proof that YOU will accept, WE must NEVER discuss the possibility.
byronius
Jun 2017
#189
It's a combination of factors. Hacking is one of them. You have named other modes as well.
diva77
Jun 2017
#147
It is because hacking is so difficult to detect that the burden of proof should be switched
diva77
Jun 2017
#173
Here in Michigan, he "won" by 10,700 votes out of 4,977,000. All they'd have to do is flip a few
catbyte
Jun 2017
#10
188,000 voters were thrown off the rolls in the months prior to the election by GOP
catbyte
Jun 2017
#82
Then to make it all the more suspect, the recount started going Clinton's way. 45*'s
catbyte
Jun 2017
#143
And even with that, 45* was losing a significant number of votes in the recount, so naturally
catbyte
Jun 2017
#144
MARCHES OF MILLIONS IN THE STREETS!! LAWSUIT ELECTION TAMPERING! SPECIAL ELECTION NEW PRES!!
trueblue2007
Jun 2017
#18
I checked with voter protection groups in my state about vote flipping and voter rolls.
wildeyed
Jun 2017
#96
With some crimes you don't have a dead body lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
L. Coyote
Jun 2017
#35
Ahh, so it's the mythical perpetual excuse for losing so you never have to look past it
Lee-Lee
Jun 2017
#44
you can't say how it was done you cant show any evidence it was done but are sure it was done
bluestarone
Jun 2017
#64
I'm saying that if you can't even come up with a valid theory of how it was done
Lee-Lee
Jun 2017
#69
There's actual proof, and stopping the recount isn't proof of much more than obstructing recounting.
L. Coyote
Jun 2017
#71
You mean like stealing an election with voter supression and weaponized propoganda?
wildeyed
Jun 2017
#94
I wonder what they think at Jack Pine Radicals? I wonder if they accept Russia-gate or see it
StevieM
Jun 2017
#67
paper receipts will never see the light of day 99.9999% of the time, so they are useless.
TheFrenchRazor
Jun 2017
#152
I don't like the election results, but that article sure hedges on what's in the title.
Hoyt
Jun 2017
#88
yep; prior to 2000, elections polls had been very reliable, but all the sudden the talking
TheFrenchRazor
Jun 2017
#110
Marcon's victory in France may be in part because that nation relies on paper ballots...
Rollo
Jun 2017
#77
Huh? With electronic voting and/or an EC, even getting more votes doesn't always win.
Rollo
Jun 2017
#142
well, at least the french know for sure who got more votes, because they don't use hackable machines
TheFrenchRazor
Jun 2017
#153
no, but OBVIOUSLY the magnitude of tampering by hand is far less than that which can be achieved thr
TheFrenchRazor
Jun 2017
#187
Wouldn't it be great if there were a recount in, say, Wisconsin, done mostly by hand?
BzaDem
Jun 2017
#135
was that a comprehensive, state-wide hand recount of every single ballot? oh wait... NO.
TheFrenchRazor
Jun 2017
#154