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Response to Eko (Reply #3)

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #1
Probably. alarimer Jun 2017 #2
Authenticity matters to me. David__77 Jun 2017 #15
I think the real problem may be political consultants. alarimer Jun 2017 #33
Agreed most consultants are guessing right now... Yurovsky Jun 2017 #38
This Right Here..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #58
I'll drink to that. pangaia Jun 2017 #84
Good point. "Safe" campaigns are losing campaigns. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #50
Yup no excuse. Eko Jun 2017 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #7
That district has been ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #11
Whatever the reason, it is what it is. BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #13
People seem to forget that. rockfordfile Jun 2017 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #30
Just heard on Lawrence show that HRC did about the same in her election there. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #9
This is no surprise. It was pretty much know after there would be a runoff still_one Jun 2017 #14
I don't think the media is playing it up. It IS very bad for the Dems. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #101
These elections were in really red districts crazycatlady Jun 2017 #179
I agree it wasn't terrible & could've been worse. But it was the same % that HRC got. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #180
Trump won that district by 1%, I think MrPurple Jun 2017 #55
Clinton lost the district by 1.5% while Ossoff lost by 4% Gothmog Jun 2017 #108
He wasn't saying by what % Clinton won or lost. It was that she got 48% in District 6. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #111
The premise of Ken's attempt at analysis is simply wrong Gothmog Jun 2017 #113
20 points is how bad we lost last fall in that Kansas seat, Ken Burch Jun 2017 #47
And Price won the seat by 23 points mythology Jun 2017 #105
Yes, it is. Which means the progressive candidates were not disasters. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #109
yes we need each other but losing really sucks. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #4
Agreed. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #39
Republicans voted for a Republican in a Republican district. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #5
Republicans voted for a Republican in a Republican district in Kansas and Montana, too. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #67
I agree with your conclusion, but few lessons can really be drawn from special elections. unblock Jun 2017 #6
No, they're 0 and 5-offs hatrack Jun 2017 #19
Even in our absolute best Congressional elections, we lose hundreds of seats. BzaDem Jun 2017 #74
Watch when he gets to 31% Popularity Motownman78 Jun 2017 #80
Same thing can be said about the special elections where pro-Sanders candidates lost to R's Ken Burch Jun 2017 #40
Actually, it's voter suppression, purging, and dirty tricks. ecstatic Jun 2017 #8
Don't think it's that simple. Anyone who cares can find their polling place. And, there is not Hoyt Jun 2017 #22
We're united in seeing the importance of fighting voter suppression. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #71
True, something needs to unite the party mvd Jun 2017 #10
Stop peddling the bullshit, "Jon Ossoff had no excuse for losing". That district has been as still_one Jun 2017 #12
+1 BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #17
That's not really the point. zipplewrath Jun 2017 #18
No I don't think so rockfordfile Jun 2017 #31
Ossoff wasn't liberal for enough for ya huh? That is the Susan Sarandon/Jill Stein still_one Jun 2017 #32
As I said on another thread, Charlie Pierce had the best quote octoberlib Jun 2017 #36
Thanks, Pierce calls it as he see em still_one Jun 2017 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jun 2017 #44
The post where I brought up the greens was not in response to you, but to someone who still_one Jun 2017 #52
Never mind. It looked like you were responding to a post of mine there. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #56
no problem. I also agree with the substance of your OP. United we win, divided we fall still_one Jun 2017 #65
Again, you're missing the point zipplewrath Jun 2017 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jun 2017 #178
Montana and that Kansas district are also "as right-wing as they come". Ken Burch Jun 2017 #45
no they didn't. JI7 Jun 2017 #49
I never said they were a failure. In fact, in regard to the Montana special election I still_one Jun 2017 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #79
Bull shit. blur256 Jun 2017 #16
This result, though, proves centrist candidates have no special electoral magic. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #46
Well, I half agree zipplewrath Jun 2017 #104
Price won there in 2016 by 20 points. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #20
It is HARD to flip DEEP RED districts which is what these are. Period. LBM20 Jun 2017 #95
lol. when it came to sanders candidates losing you excused it by saying we could not win those areas JI7 Jun 2017 #21
No shite. Cha Jun 2017 #131
why do white people who want more liberal candidates vote for republicans ? JI7 Jun 2017 #23
That's not how it works. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #59
democrats win in california with low turnout JI7 Jun 2017 #62
I wasn't saying anything about what minority voters wanted. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #73
his support was largely minority voters JI7 Jun 2017 #75
Then again, he was the only major candidate(at least in the special election) Ken Burch Jun 2017 #78
he was not the only one in the first round , and again you are dismissing voters JI7 Jun 2017 #82
As I understand it, all the other candidates in the first round took about 1% of the vote each. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #85
When he decided not to live in the district Motownman78 Jun 2017 #24
How did they think that wouldn't matter? redstateblues Jun 2017 #34
Excellent point. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #57
People like to be represented by someone who actually lives in their district? rpannier Jun 2017 #60
Get A Freaking Apartment.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #66
Bad take. Clearly you know nothing about this district. It was NOT a swing district. seaglass Jun 2017 #25
The seats where pro-Sanders candidates fell just short(but gained tons of ground)weren't, either. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #43
A 3.7 margin is better than a 6.1 so if you are comparing Ossoff with Quist, yeah Ossoff did better seaglass Jun 2017 #97
as if we had RegexReader Jun 2017 #53
Wrong. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #26
So just cut out half the party and assume Democrats can keep winng? Tiggeroshii Jun 2017 #27
LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #91
You are but one constituency among many in the big Democratic tent...and a minority one at that. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #175
It really varies from district to district, state to state. StevieM Jun 2017 #28
Progressives always saying swinging to the left would do the trick creeksneakers2 Jun 2017 #35
This result shows NON-progressive candidates don't seem to have the knack of that, either. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #41
he was more progressive than the nebraska guy JI7 Jun 2017 #48
Are we still on THAT? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #51
i didn't mention all of that crap. my point was that Ossoff was more progressive JI7 Jun 2017 #54
Oh brother. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #93
Jon Ossoff had no excuse for losing? oberliner Jun 2017 #42
Might have helped if he had moved into the district rpannier Jun 2017 #64
Doubtful oberliner Jun 2017 #96
That is probably true rpannier Jun 2017 #100
This was a progressive leaning district? That's news to me. JHan Jun 2017 #61
Everyone here agrees that Voter Suppression and Gerrymandering are facts. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #70
You're still obsessing over who is a centrist and who is not... JHan Jun 2017 #72
I never claimed it was a progressive-leaning district. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #76
The whole premise of your post.. JHan Jun 2017 #77
My post was in reaction to days of threads here Ken Burch Jun 2017 #83
Thank you! That's exactly correct. You've spotted the flaw. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #94
In another thread, someone is Blaming Sanders for the loss because he endorsed Ossoff... Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #68
Before that, they were vilifying Bernie for NOT endorsing Ossoff, Ken Burch Jun 2017 #69
Agreed 100% nt riderinthestorm Jun 2017 #106
The "centrist-left" argument is irrelevant. kentuck Jun 2017 #81
What would you suggest instead? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #89
I'm unwilling to cede the term progressives" to nativist/populists of the left... Expecting Rain Jun 2017 #86
100% agreed OP. Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #87
Had no excuse for losing in a district engineered to be heavily Republican???? pnwmom Jun 2017 #88
Exactly. Thank you. LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #110
It all depends on the circumstances. Willie Pep Jun 2017 #90
Did you know this is a DEEP RED district since 1978 that the R won by 23 points in November? LBM20 Jun 2017 #92
Transparent. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #98
YES INDEED! Duly noted. (Thank you!) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #112
while notably not highlighting how Quist and Mello did. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #117
Thank you for your post! nikibatts Jun 2017 #99
Actually there is an excuse for losing--this is an extremely red district and it was going to book_worm Jun 2017 #102
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2017 #107
Not really since none of Sanders endorsed Dems won. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #114
None of the anti-Sanders Dems beat the 'thug candidates, either. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #115
There was only one...you all had 3 chances. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #123
It doesn't matter how may chances anyone had(y. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #127
It does matter. I am unwilling to allow the party to be run in such a way that will cost us Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #138
"foist your ideology"? Most Dems are to the left of the party leadership Ken Burch Jun 2017 #143
Sorry, I don't think that is true...I have no idea how many Democrats are to the right of say Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #146
How is Mayor Heath Mello, Ken? Doing well in his role? How about Congressman Quist. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #116
In every case, the result was the same-all the Dems lost, progressive or "centrist". Ken Burch Jun 2017 #118
I never bring it up. you do. it's so sad that you don't seem to see it. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #119
My point is we need everybody, and that nobody should be told to shut up or go away. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #120
and yet your threads continue to flame these fires by making this sanders vs clinton La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #121
Correct again. You've totally figured it out! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #124
There's nothing to figure out. I support unity. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #128
LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #133
we should hand out awards in passive aggressive smarmy bullshit La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #134
Nothing I post is passive aggressive, smarmy, or bullshit. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #141
Just cos you lack awareness about how you sound La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #142
You keep acting like I'm attacking people Ken Burch Jun 2017 #144
LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #159
1)Actually she does. She accused me of disrespecting HRC supporters-which I've never done. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #160
LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #161
NO. I never have. My comment there was a reasonable observation. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #162
Yes you have. Check it out: In post #140 You falsely accused me of... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #163
If you aren't trying to drive me off of the board, why do you keep accusing me Ken Burch Jun 2017 #165
LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #166
You embarrass yourself everytime you do that. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #168
LOL! No I don't. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #169
Amen. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #145
The laughing ones, but basically any emoji when YOU use it. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #140
What a strange accusation! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #147
The people least victimized in society, seem to have the greatest victimhood complex La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #149
Totally true! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #150
None of this is about my identity. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #167
Attention K-Mart Shoppers: The primary is over. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #170
See? You made that false accusation again. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #171
Who said "refighting" ... who used that word? (HINT: It wasn't me.) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #172
When you made the remark about "the primaries are over". Ken Burch Jun 2017 #173
LOL! ... LOL! and LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #174
Kick. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #182
All of it is, such cluelessness only happens to people La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #181
I didn't make it sanders v. clinton Ken Burch Jun 2017 #126
LOL La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #135
Thank you! Glad you're saying this. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #122
Sanders wing? GulfCoast66 Jun 2017 #125
You spotted that too, huh? (Thanks for questioning it.) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #156
There is only one Democratic Party JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #129
Thank-you. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #152
A-fucking-men! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #157
According to DU we don't need dialogue or partnership Nevernose Jun 2017 #130
LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #158
That's divisive right there.. because it's not REALITY .. Cha Jun 2017 #132
if this is unity, i wonder what intentionally sowing distrust looks like La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #136
I know, right.. like we wouldn't notice. Cha Jun 2017 #137
Why would someone base the whole premise of an Op ignoring facts? Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #154
There is a very easy for more leftist candidates GulfCoast66 Jun 2017 #139
Sick of Threads like this Orcrist Jun 2017 #148
"The Ossoff campaign had no excuse for losing." False. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #151
Trashed & wrecked, tired of whiny blamers n/t Scoopster Jun 2017 #153
Wrong. If he had gone hard left he would never have gotten so close in that DEEP RED district. LBM20 Jun 2017 #155
Who said the left can't win? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #164
Ossoff lost by only 3.8%. His positions were def left of center. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #176
Not really Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #177
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