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101. Right. Party over principles are Republican-like behavior

Sat Jul 15, 2017, 06:24 PM

Jul 2017

Leave that garbage to the Republicans.

I'd rather vote on issues that are near and dear to my heart that I can agree with about 70% of the time.

When I took that match-me-with-President-candidate of my choice, it was like something around 84% Bernie, and 54% Clinton. I took a closer look, and found out that Bernie represents me better than Clinton would have. Even right now, people are pushing party over principles on the Democratic side. The Democrats hasn't even provided issues that we can be solid about, even if the platform was adopted.

I refuse to say anything bad about the Democrats, but it does make me wonder about the Democratic Party as whole. I'd rather vote on issues I care about that the candidate can fight about.

Even if it is a losing candidate.

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Bernie Sanders primary challenger appears to slur transgender people as 'lady boys' [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 OP

A lot more to this than is in your post ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #1

Actually, there is such a thing as a Christian liberal . . . markpkessinger Jul 2017 #216

Oops. Look at those screenshots. So much for all those claims of FAKE NEWS!!1! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #2

Are we sure that's Raw Story? Rob H. Jul 2017 #5

Lololol! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #7

Well, the author has a foreign-sounding name (which is irrelevant, ftr)--hey, wait! Rob H. Jul 2017 #10

That's a good question. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #206

Well, one of them has Rob H. Jul 2017 #209

I'm glad they keep kicking this thread though. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #210

Bernie will easily beat both of these fools. Agschmid Jul 2017 #11

Yeah he will. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #12

If you look around, there is an opp research directory sfwriter Jul 2017 #3

Christian liberal elleng Jul 2017 #4

BUT HE'S A REAL DEMOCRAT GODDAMIT11!11!!111!!! QC Jul 2017 #6

He's a real...something...alright. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2017 #27

It's our DUTY to unite behind the Democratic candidate... regnaD kciN Jul 2017 #138

It's our DUTY to support people who support progressive ideas. Initech Jul 2017 #144

This... thank you! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #182

lol, you may be right... gets confusing sometimes. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #180

I think they make a lovely couple--inasfar as political opponents ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #8

So far two primary challengers Progressive dog Jul 2017 #9

Anti-trans, anti-vax, anti-science, and racist Rob H. Jul 2017 #13

chicago style politics. mopinko Jul 2017 #14

Yeah I noticed that too. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #15

I've only seen one or two DU'ers support this kook emulatorloo Jul 2017 #18

I can tell you're super serious ornotna Jul 2017 #22

I was born and raised in Texas. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #23

*snort* beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #30

I wish you were right Jim Lane Jul 2017 #50

Well said as always, Jim Lane. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #95

I just hope we didn't alienate any "Twilight" fans. (n/t) Jim Lane Jul 2017 #142

That's not even funny. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #143

In other words...Twilight fans should get the Forks out of here. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #181

... beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #186

OK, I had to do a search to get that joke. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #196

nope, they dont. mopinko Jul 2017 #24

Yep. And really picked up a lot of steam after Obama was elected. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #47

I noticed it too, you see that term used frequently by Deplorables. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #38

Freaking Bigot Matthew28 Jul 2017 #16

I hope Sanders and his fans spending a lot of time fighting this primary. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #17

LOL, as if crackpot Svitavsky won't be forced to drop out long before this year is up. nt Rob H. Jul 2017 #19

Then why are y'all wasting yr energy on this idiot? emulatorloo Jul 2017 #21

Hey, look at that! Rob H. Jul 2017 #26

Was a question, not a directive. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #28

I wasn't confused at all Rob H. Jul 2017 #29

Enjoy reading your posts. Just wanted to know why you think this idiot is a threat to Bernie emulatorloo Jul 2017 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Rob H. Jul 2017 #33

Who said he was a threat? No reason to use a strawman. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #34

Why do you care? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #31

Dude's a loser. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #35

On that we agree. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #36

Yep, Bernie's got this. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #39

At a 75% approval rating...not likely... WoonTars Jul 2017 #25

I'm sure Fox News will give him some air time. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #41

! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #42

Yeah, unfortunately the poster you are cheering forgot to google stevenleser Jul 2017 #45

Appearing on Fox News is dubious, amirite? Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #55

They do seem to find... tonedevil Jul 2017 #70

Tackling dummies, basically. QC Jul 2017 #97

If you don't like how Bernie handled himself on that network you should tell him. stevenleser Jul 2017 #194

Fox gets one thing... tonedevil Jul 2017 #197

Nope, nor am I who implied that. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #193

Here's Bernie on Fox News Sunday stevenleser Jul 2017 #48

Why not, they give Bernie plenty any time he wants it stevenleser Jul 2017 #44

Link? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #86

There are two of them on this thread. Feel free to watch them. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #192

Here's Bernie on none other than the O'Reilly factor stevenleser Jul 2017 #46

A show you've been on many times melman Jul 2017 #49

Yep. You should address that to the original person who brought up FNC on this thread stevenleser Jul 2017 #195

I don't care what letter he has after his name ornotna Jul 2017 #20

I trust the people of Vermont to make decisions for themselves. politicat Jul 2017 #37

That's the end of his career. Hieronymus Jul 2017 #40

Fuck him and anyone who would support him over a LGBTQ rights supporter like Bernie. nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2017 #43

Wow. And some here support this creep. SixString Jul 2017 #51

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #53

Seems there are two flawed people who will be running in the primary. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #52

Worried? Hahaha Kentonio Jul 2017 #57

Absolute comments like yours have no place in politics. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #58

I don't really care what you think has a place in politics to be honest Kentonio Jul 2017 #59

"I don't really care what you think has a place in politics to be honest" NCTraveler Jul 2017 #60

Please don't play the innocent victim Kentonio Jul 2017 #61

Very personal. Sorry that's what it's about. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #63

If what you say is true Lordquinton Jul 2017 #127

How do you come to the thought of "so badly"? NCTraveler Jul 2017 #190

Was he looking out for the most vulnerable of America when he co-wrote and sponsored a bill to dump lunamagica Jul 2017 #91

That's one way to look at it Kentonio Jul 2017 #94

So, what is your version? lunamagica Jul 2017 #96

Crickets sheshe2 Jul 2017 #136

Sheila Jackson Lee co sponsored that legislation. Was she trying to kill Brown People too? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #139

Those pesky facts again. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #140

You like pesky facts, huh? Here, I have some for you. But first, let me say this lunamagica Jul 2017 #167

Tl; dr beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #173

Link? lunamagica Jul 2017 #149

Here's a link to all of the cosponsors: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #150

Cicadas. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #156

I thought we could only post four paragraphs from any source. Was I wrong? lunamagica Jul 2017 #157

I only posted two links. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #160

TOS lunamagica Jul 2017 #164

Yes. You were. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #161

No, I'm not. TOS: lunamagica Jul 2017 #163

Congressional transcripts aren't copy written. Not yet anyway... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #165

Oh, really? I stand corrected. Then I can post this lunamagica Jul 2017 #166

Tl;dr. The Honorable Sheila Jackson Lee cosponsored it and President Clinton signed it Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #169

This is about Sanders. Don't deflect. lunamagica Jul 2017 #171

No, this is about a bipartisan piece of legislation attempting to deal, in a sensible way, with a... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #175

Bent out of shape over some 20 year old legislation? Seriously? lunamagica Jul 2017 #176

So what if Sierra Blanca is on an "earthquake line"? What does tha mean for the future? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #187

Sigh. Please read lunamagica Jul 2017 #203

I don't understand the need to vilify one person for this legislation. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #178

Nope, I heard it years ago. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #177

Thanks, but that's irrelevant. None of those people ran or are currently planning to run for POTUS lunamagica Jul 2017 #168

How can it be irrelevant when you asked for the information ? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #170

I did not. I only asked for a link to Sheila Jackson Lee's speech, which was posted without a link lunamagica Jul 2017 #172

That wasn't her speech. And you didn't specify which fact you wanted verified. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #174

The post didn't include any link. So, if I asked for a link it goes without saying that lunamagica Jul 2017 #204

Your post simply said: "link?" so I provided you with a link to both the claim and the speech. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #205

Where did I say I wanted a list of sponsors? lunamagica Jul 2017 #207

I don't know how else to explain this. You didn't specify which link you wanted. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #208

Sure, keep kicking it. I don't like Svitavsky. And people can also read about lunamagica Jul 2017 #211

You're making it sound like Bernie is to blame for the whole thing. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #183

But everything is his fault. Just ask Jon Svitavsky. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #185

My God...Bernie is Khan! Ken Burch Jul 2017 #201

He's WORSE than Kahn. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #212

There is no way he could have stopped it? He fought hard for it. He even lunamagica Jul 2017 #202

That would be nice, wouldn't it? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #62

Amazing to see who is getting upset at the concept... NCTraveler Jul 2017 #64

No, we're upset to see DUers cheering an open bigot. white_wolf Jul 2017 #81

That's what I mean. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #85

Many DUers are. I've seen plenty of people express hope this guy beats Sanders. white_wolf Jul 2017 #87

There aren't "many" nor are the reasons simply binary, for the few. T NCTraveler Jul 2017 #92

Exactly. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #88

What I don't understand is this... white_wolf Jul 2017 #90

I think it's more about sour grapes than anything else. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #93

Oh and dont forget accused of fake news Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #100

So you'd rather have a homophobic bigot in office merely because he's on your team? white_wolf Jul 2017 #80

LOL! What I actually said: "I'm all in favor of having as many Democrats in the Senate as possible." NurseJackie Jul 2017 #83

The implications of your post were clear. white_wolf Jul 2017 #84

LOL! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #135

Right. Party over principles are Republican-like behavior Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #101

Do you really think it is money that will keep Bernie in his seat and... aikoaiko Jul 2017 #73

I think it's a combination of both. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #74

That challenger hasn't a prayer of beating Senator Sanders MineralMan Jul 2017 #54

Nobody here is paying attention to them. The woman who has announced VermontKevin Jul 2017 #56

"appears" George II Jul 2017 #65

Wait, you don't think referring to transgender girls as 'lady boys' is a slur? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #77

We don't know for sure that he said that, do we Beam? George II Jul 2017 #78

Actually we do, George, since it's still on Facebook. You've seen it yourself, remember? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #79

It's amazing that people are *still* playing dumb about this guy Rob H. Jul 2017 #99

Isn't it? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #102

***Breaking*** FBI releases photo of suspected time-traveling hacker and accomplice Rob H. Jul 2017 #124

THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #126

As I said, we don't know for sure that he said that. George II Jul 2017 #106

Except the post is clearly from Jon Svitavsky's account. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #107

I'm not saying it's aliens, but... QC Jul 2017 #108

I KNEW IT!!! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #109

I am the alien. We are all aliens. Autumn Jul 2017 #198

There are some very talented and sophisticated hackers out there. Until he's actually interviewed.. George II Jul 2017 #111

So sophisticated they can time travel? I had no idea hackers had that kind of technology. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #112

What's this "time travel" stuff? George II Jul 2017 #114

Couldn't the same hackers who faked his facebook page, fake an interview with him? Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #117

There are some very talented and sophisticated hackers out there, Warren. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #118

All I can say is, when a Terminator is sent back to kill me Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #120

I'll see if Skynet can arrange it. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #121

Looking someone up on Facebook isn't Doxxing Lordquinton Jul 2017 #132

Good catch. Since when is vetting a candidate doxxing? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #137

There was no digging done here Lordquinton Jul 2017 #147

True. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #148

He has yet to deny it as well Lordquinton Jul 2017 #188

He hasn't deleted those slurs either so he must think they're acceptable. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #189

Very telling Lordquinton Jul 2017 #191

Funny how the concern for facts and truth Lordquinton Jul 2017 #122

What an astute observation, LQ. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #123

Absolutely hilarious Lordquinton Jul 2017 #131

Fuckin' magnets, how do they work? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #133

What even are they? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #134

Did you know they have a meme generator for that now? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #141

Ugh, factory created memes... Lordquinton Jul 2017 #146

True. All sensory data is relayed to me through my sensory apparatus. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #110

Of course, I am always receptive to suggestions... beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #113

it's a classic. Plus, shit, it's like Carpenter & O'Bannon's student film from UCLA or something. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #115

It's an acquired taste. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #116

Only yes, we do nt Rob H. Jul 2017 #128

Ok, he typed it and posted it online Bradical79 Jul 2017 #151

Don't care. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #66

So you don't give a damn about actual ideals or policy Kentonio Jul 2017 #69

Some would support Genghis Khan provided he ran with a D. white_wolf Jul 2017 #82

People who would support a bigot are bigots. Nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2017 #104

Yes indeed. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #105

So much this Rob H. Jul 2017 #129

ACtually, I give far more of a damn over actual ideals or paolicy than any extremist leftist purist Foamfollower Jul 2017 #153

Neither of which Sanders did Kentonio Jul 2017 #200

Any D over an I? LostOne4Ever Jul 2017 #103

Yep, I'd take TEN Zell Millers over any (I) you'd care to name. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #152

Party over principle? nt dflprincess Jul 2017 #154

Principle over meaningless bullshit. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #159

"...you cannot have principles or morals without party." What? aikoaiko Jul 2017 #199

Lol. You don't even know who Zell Miller is, do you Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #155

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #158

Wow. I almost forgot about his speech at the RNC. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #162

Not if replacing the I with a D meant getting someone significantly to the right of the I. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #184

How is he a primary challenger? oberliner Jul 2017 #67

Yes he does. Kentonio Jul 2017 #68

No, he doesn't oberliner Jul 2017 #71

You forgot... tonedevil Jul 2017 #72

He runs in the primary, and did in (IIRC) the last 2 races Kentonio Jul 2017 #76

Sanders primary opponent is a loon Egnever Jul 2017 #75

As a karate expert I say "the rent is too high" guy is credible Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #89

Draft Howard Dean! Expecting Rain Jul 2017 #98

I bet Howard Dean has better stuff to do than engage in an ill-advised grudge match against Bernie Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #119

He did a very, very, very wicked thing, QC Jul 2017 #125

You got it. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #130

Howard Dean should have been president already. Initech Jul 2017 #145

Were they TRYING to find the worst possible candidate? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #179

Seems like it, doesn't it? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #213

And just think, this is just the stuff we know about Rob H. Jul 2017 #214

"They" who? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #215