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mopinko

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10. the proper frame of this issue is- who decides?
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 06:47 PM
Aug 2017

if you dont think women should have the autonomy to decide, then who?

if you are going to pass laws making it illegal, that means the government decides.
when you carve out exemptions for rape and incest, then law enforcement decides.
when you make a carve out for the life and health of the fetus or the mother, then doctors decide.

and when you go back to back alley abortions, it requires someone to decide to break the law, for motives both noble and coarse.

back in the day, women who wanted an abortion could appeal to (male, of course) doctors. in some cases it was one on one, and liberal. in some cases there were panels of doctors. (death panels, really, considering the stakes.) and many of those panels were just opposed in principle, and rarely said yes.

it is one of those things where the only logical thing to do is to draw the line at zero. the woman decides. for a million individual reasons that no fair law can anticipate.

and for the record, i have 5 kids, not all planned. tho i chose to carry those babies, knowing that i was in control of that choice meant i was a free person and not a slave.
every one was a risk of my life. every one left scars on my body. every one disturbed my metabolism and health, in some ways permanently.
that is a heavy burden to bear at someone else's insistence. that is slavery.

My Choice [View all] H2O Man Aug 2017 OP
Recommended. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #1
My thoughts exactly lunatica Aug 2017 #4
Yep. H2O Man Aug 2017 #15
THIS. volstork Aug 2017 #12
Great quote. H2O Man Aug 2017 #14
An excellent reference. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #23
Very well said. H2O Man Aug 2017 #13
Inspired by your post. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #24
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2017 #2
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2017 #16
X10000 onecaliberal Aug 2017 #3
Thanks, onecaliberal ! H2O Man Aug 2017 #17
KR Me. Aug 2017 #5
Thank you, Me. H2O Man Aug 2017 #18
Highly Recommended! countryjake Aug 2017 #6
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2017 #19
Choice is not negotiable. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #7
Right. H2O Man Aug 2017 #20
Yes. I think most of us agree that good communication is crucial in a healthy adult relationship. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #22
It shouldn't even be up for discussion Horse with no Name Aug 2017 #8
Perfect answer. H2O Man Aug 2017 #21
Yes dembotoz Aug 2017 #9
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2017 #25
the proper frame of this issue is- who decides? mopinko Aug 2017 #10
Very well said. H2O Man Aug 2017 #26
Thank you seta1950 Aug 2017 #11
Thank you, seta1950! H2O Man Aug 2017 #27
Excellent post. But that's a big leap from women's rights to not accepting "anti-choice." Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #28
Perhaps you could H2O Man Aug 2017 #29
I don't know of solidly anti-choice Democrats, actually. Do you? Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #39
I love the phrase you used... BobsYourUncle Aug 2017 #30
Great point! H2O Man Aug 2017 #33
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! Raster Aug 2017 #31
Thanks, Raster! H2O Man Aug 2017 #34
I have no problem with someone who is against abortion DFW Aug 2017 #32
Exactly, DFW! H2O Man Aug 2017 #35
Many on the far right refuse to acknowledge an obvious truth DFW Aug 2017 #36
KnR Hekate Aug 2017 #37
I'm not going to support an anti-choice candidate in the primaries. dawg Aug 2017 #38
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