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EX500rider

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80. Pointing out that NK is working towards a working nuke..

Mon Aug 7, 2017, 05:44 PM

Aug 2017

Last edited Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:54 PM - Edit history (1)

....is "promoting war" to you?

lol, ok, I guess i can stick my head in the sand instead...

And the Iraq military was 10 feet tall in the news before it turned out it wasn't.

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Was there a third atomic bomb? [View all] roamer65 Aug 2017 OP

"You have a possibility of seven, with a good chance of using them... " PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #1

Yup. Scary isn't it. roamer65 Aug 2017 #6

There should never have been one malaise Aug 2017 #2

We can't change history, malaise. roamer65 Aug 2017 #5

Yes we do malaise Aug 2017 #23

Cat... let me introduce you to Bag. Adrahil Aug 2017 #7

Absolutely correct. roamer65 Aug 2017 #9

And I can safely predict we will do very little on each. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #37

Sad to say, I agree. roamer65 Aug 2017 #38

Climate change and nuclear energy are intimately connected. If we abandon nuclear energy... NNadir Aug 2017 #42

Nuclear energy, as it exists in nuclear fission plants Warpy Aug 2017 #48

Especially when we meltdown obsolete reactors loaded with MOX fuel. roamer65 Aug 2017 #50

Bullshit. This tiresome crap was clearly insane 20 years ago, but as things are now, it's worse. NNadir Aug 2017 #55

New architecture beats all of them. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #56

How? hunter Aug 2017 #84

Great post hueymahl Aug 2017 #101

Thank you for your kind words. NNadir Aug 2017 #115

The projections for an invasion of Japan would have been carnage LittleBlue Aug 2017 #51

+ millions Foamfollower Aug 2017 #53

Every World War II military leader disagrees with you Jim Lane Aug 2017 #63

"Every WWII military leader"? Really? EX500rider Aug 2017 #82

You want evidence? I've got evidence. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #90

The quotes in that article are not persuasive stevenleser Aug 2017 #112

I specifically distinguished the concepts you say I'm conflating. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #114

A blockade however, could have been both efficient and effective as per Tsuyoshi Hasegawa LanternWaste Aug 2017 #73

The blockade was very effective LittleBlue Aug 2017 #75

And would have killed many more civilians than the atomic bombs hack89 Aug 2017 #98

And yet somehow causing the deaths of children through induced famine is a morally superior Marengo Aug 2017 #104

It's the time factor. More moral to spread the deaths out hack89 Aug 2017 #105

I love the Annual fight over the use of nukes. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #3

Yup. It's a DU tradition. roamer65 Aug 2017 #4

It wasn't a fair fight. Igel Aug 2017 #8

Here's some important history they didn't tell you about in school Jim Lane Aug 2017 #64

Ive often wondered Eko Aug 2017 #10

Robert Oppenheimer wanted a test in the Pacific with Japanese emissaries as witnesses. roamer65 Aug 2017 #12

Huh, Eko Aug 2017 #14

Np. I love history. roamer65 Aug 2017 #20

Me too. Eko Aug 2017 #22

That is not even remotely true. Only a small subset of Manhattan Project scientists, not... NNadir Aug 2017 #44

My mistake. It was the Chicago group that suggested it. roamer65 Aug 2017 #46

Oppenheimer was a very complex and deep man, Truman less so, but in my opinion... NNadir Aug 2017 #52

My concern is yours. roamer65 Aug 2017 #54

Exactly what we should have done. A deserted island would have been better. Hoyt Aug 2017 #13

I agree, but I think maybe the Soviet invasion of Manchuria... roamer65 Aug 2017 #17

It wouldn't have worked. Kentonio Aug 2017 #59

They were surrounded and beaten. Not like they were going to attack us at that point. Hoyt Aug 2017 #61

People (including many allied POWs) were dying in large numbers every day Kentonio Aug 2017 #65

I'll trust scholars like H Zinn. Truthfully, I think it had a lot to do with we were bombing Asians Hoyt Aug 2017 #70

Claiming that Japan tried to surrender is pure revisonism Kentonio Aug 2017 #76

Maybe you need to brush up on your high school history. Hoyt Aug 2017 #81

That is complete and total bullshit Kentonio Aug 2017 #93

Ha. What do you call rationalizing the destruction of 150,000 innocent women and children? Hoyt Aug 2017 #95

At that time that's exactly what they were forced to do. Kentonio Aug 2017 #96

Forced to do? At that point, Japan was about as much a threat to us as Vietnam and Iraq. Hoyt Aug 2017 #97

The Japanese were holding an estimated 125,000 prisoners when they surrendered. Kentonio Aug 2017 #99

What about the thousands of innocents dying every day in Japanese occupied countries hack89 Aug 2017 #100

Would we not have used a nuke on Germany if any were available prior to the surrender? Marengo Aug 2017 #106

Doubt it. We didn't round them up in mass and intern them like Asians either. Hoyt Aug 2017 #109

According to General Groves, President Roosevelt expressed a desire to do so shortly before Yalta. Marengo Aug 2017 #110

So it's OK for Roosevelt to have a desire, but you won't accept the Japanese were beaten Hoyt Aug 2017 #113

Apparently you don't understand. According to General Groves, FDR, being alarmed by the German... Marengo Aug 2017 #117

I understand completely. People who are into guns are also into nuking people like Japanese women Hoyt Aug 2017 #118

That doesn't answer any of my questions to you, how about you try again? In your own words... Marengo Aug 2017 #119

And yet the tonnage of the aerial bombs US forces dropped on Germany was far greater than Japan Marengo Aug 2017 #111

3.4 million Japanese military personnel in the occupied territories at the time of surrender. Marengo Aug 2017 #107

Approximately 3.4 million Japanese military personnel in the occupied territories at the time... Marengo Aug 2017 #67

I'm arguing we had the most destructive weapon ever and were itching to use it. Just like Hoyt Aug 2017 #69

Those who arguably suffered the most from Japanese aggression, the Chinese, have little... Marengo Aug 2017 #71

200,000 largely civilians - many of whom were children, killed or injured directly by the bomb Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #27

They then changed it again. roamer65 Aug 2017 #29

The fight over an island the size of 10 Washington DC's cost about that many lives. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #30

I am suggesting you are minimizing the human damage we chose to inflict. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #32

My reference to monsters refers to the national downplaying of Japan to it's wartime atrocities. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #33

My point is, you are minimizing, and dehumaninzing the damage we chose to inflict. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #34

And it appears you never read my original point. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #35

I read your point. It was precisely what I was replyitng to. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #36

No you did not understand my point. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #40

Discussing this with my WWII era parents is always interesting nini Aug 2017 #28

I only argue with the second bomb Yupster Aug 2017 #45

To be fair to them, every day meant thousands more casualties. Kentonio Aug 2017 #60

Also, they didn't surrender after the first one Warpy Aug 2017 #49

First bomb dropped on Aug 6 Yupster Aug 2017 #58

Those bombs saved my fathers life HAB911 Aug 2017 #68

Same thing my mom has told me over and over nini Aug 2017 #79

My dear departed dad, a Purple Heart recipient and spent four years PCIntern Aug 2017 #91

We go berserk every time some country wants a nuke, yet we are the only country vile Hoyt Aug 2017 #11

Then I guess only "vile" countries want them Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #15

We darn sure would not have invaded Iraq and butchered thousands if they had nukes. Hoyt Aug 2017 #16

Then you must be agog over N Korea's nukes Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #18

Quit reading by pointing at one word at a time. Not "agog" at it, but don't think Hoyt Aug 2017 #21

"assuming they even can" ?? EX500rider Aug 2017 #39

They can't launch them. Terror, Terror, Terror. Hoyt Aug 2017 #62

Yet is the key word there... EX500rider Aug 2017 #77

Christ, sounds like you -- like Trump -- are promoting war. Sorry, I'd call it another Iraq, but NK Hoyt Aug 2017 #78

Pointing out that NK is working towards a working nuke.. EX500rider Aug 2017 #80

Iraq had no military or WMD's. That's why bush invaded Iraq and why countries like NK want nukes. Hoyt Aug 2017 #83

Iraq had quite a big military... EX500rider Aug 2017 #85

BS, no air force, no navy, and an army that went home. Plus, no weapons. Hoyt Aug 2017 #86

Pointing out facts, I know, what's with that?! lol EX500rider Aug 2017 #87

Geez, my small state has an air force bigger than that. And not a one of the few planes Iraq had, Hoyt Aug 2017 #89

Yep malaise Aug 2017 #24

Add in the threat of Trump and those like him, and every country will want nukes. Hoyt Aug 2017 #25

Isn't that the truth malaise Aug 2017 #26

You get China,Russia,Pakistan,India,France,UK,NK,Israel.. EX500rider Aug 2017 #41

By 1950 the U.S.A. had 120 "Fat Man" type bombs... hunter Aug 2017 #19

Both Germany and Japan were working on atomic bombs -- eppur_se_muova Aug 2017 #31

Neither program was even remotely close to success. n/t NNadir Aug 2017 #43

Yes, but how could the allies have known that? hueymahl Aug 2017 #102

They couldn't and they didn't. They were surprised by both programs. NNadir Aug 2017 #116

Thank you, it's conforting to know this. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #47

So Sad DarthDem Aug 2017 #57

Ahhh the wonders of 20/20 hindsight dembotoz Aug 2017 #66

There were 120 Fat-Man type bombs by 1950. hunter Aug 2017 #72

So much history will never be taught dembotoz Aug 2017 #74

I remember reading once that MacArthur wanted to use some of them in Korea. roamer65 Aug 2017 #88

You say 'obviously' but they actually came much closer to being used than people think. Kentonio Aug 2017 #94

PBS Documentary: "The Bomb" moondust Aug 2017 #92

He had a chance to surrender before the second Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #103

No sympathy for the Japanese from me. Ever. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #108