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Ms. Toad

(34,066 posts)
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:07 PM Sep 2017

It is really embarrassing to read the xenophobic posts on DU, [View all]

ridiculing Melania Trump's accent.

I spent last night working with a dozen international students who are striving to obtain an advanced degree at my university. Two of them are fluent and have very little accent; I sometimes struggle to understand what the others are saying because of their accents, or the sentence structure that mimics the sentence structure of their first language. But my struggle is nothing compared to their struggle to master concepts that are challenging for US students to master, in a language in which they do not yet think fluently, and to live in a country where they are disconnected from anyone and anything familiar.

Then I come here this afternoon and see Melania ridiculed with comments like, "hoosband," "can't understand a word she's saying," and "in what language." Not the first time it's happened, but the ridicule of someone who sounds like my students who are doing something I wouldn't attempt in a million years is particularly striking today.

Yes, she is an odious human being. But it has nothing with her country of origin, or how fluently or accent-freely she speaks English.

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i'll just ridicule her choices. spanone Sep 2017 #1
Have at it - you'll get no argument from me. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #4
👍🏼 spanone Sep 2017 #11
Me neither, BUT not ALL the douchebags posting here are going to be our own. Hortensis Sep 2017 #63
A fair number of the xenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic ones Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #76
Agreed We don't make any friends by mocking others. It just looks childish and petty. JoeOtterbein Sep 2017 #2
Yup. Just look at her husband. nt SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #21
I agree Fatemah2774 Sep 2017 #157
Her accent is not the problem, I agree. Solly Mack Sep 2017 #3
She has been here Scarsdale Sep 2017 #53
I have a cousin from Spain who has been in America 40 years and still speaks English Solly Mack Sep 2017 #118
My husband has been here 20 years cannabis_flower Sep 2017 #167
It's very, very difficult for an adult to shake the accent of their native language. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #5
I was in Italy for many years, rarely speaking English, speaking Italian fierywoman Sep 2017 #16
The Guys In Milan That i Knew. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #30
That's funny! fierywoman Sep 2017 #33
I was gluted to LittleGirl Sep 2017 #40
I got it out of my wonderful library. Have you seen The Young Montalbano? fierywoman Sep 2017 #75
Yes, that's the one I meant LittleGirl Sep 2017 #124
The older one has about 20 episodes. You can also read fierywoman Sep 2017 #126
yeah, he's a looker LittleGirl Sep 2017 #129
There are the same characters at the police station, just older fierywoman Sep 2017 #144
Well, I'll Have To Pass On GWTW ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #46
My husband is from Calabria JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #38
Maybe we should have an Italian group here on DU flamingdem Sep 2017 #120
Amazing realization. LittleGirl Sep 2017 #41
Exactly. I grew up in an Irish Catholic family - raven mad Sep 2017 #17
I can understand Norwegian. It's indeed not complicated grammatically DFW Sep 2017 #36
I am learning the version that's taught as the "formal" language, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #47
Icelandic is a hoot DFW Sep 2017 #49
Icelandic is what Norwegian was a thousand years ago The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #51
Latin is the entry port to declined languages alright DFW Sep 2017 #54
My Dad made me take Latin. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #56
It was compulsory in the high school I was attending at the time DFW Sep 2017 #65
Indeed! The main goal is to communicate - if her accent doesn't hinder that, KitSileya Sep 2017 #155
I'd rather just ignore the whole spectacle. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #6
I feel like this is a conversation that we've had to have far too often on DU regarding the Trump SaschaHM Sep 2017 #7
Absolutely. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #12
Absolutely tymorial Sep 2017 #13
I agree. K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #8
Her accent is fine MFM008 Sep 2017 #9
I love people with accents. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #10
Certainly how she carries out her role of first lady Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #15
Everyone has an accent ... in some language. HeartachesNhangovers Sep 2017 #66
Completely agree. K & R Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #14
I generally avoid her inability to speak English fluently as a point of criticism. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #18
She is irrelevant thbobby Sep 2017 #19
Right on! HeartachesNhangovers Sep 2017 #39
She speaks English much better than I can speak a second spooky3 Sep 2017 #20
Agreed. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #25
Everyone has an accent except me Orrex Sep 2017 #22
No. That would be me. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #34
I agree LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #23
I have no aspirations to be like the people you corrrectly suspect Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #26
I never talk about Melania leftynyc Sep 2017 #24
Agreed Lotusflower70 Sep 2017 #27
No excuse for that get the red out Sep 2017 #28
I love her accent. report those posts, they should be deleted. Sunlei Sep 2017 #29
Well, I couldn't understand what she said. procon Sep 2017 #31
That sounds like your problem not her accent. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #32
Don't be so defensive. The woman is a tool. Don't feel sorry for her, procon Sep 2017 #55
I think it's adorable how you rationalize simplistic petulance as someone else being defensive. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #57
Republicans use the term "adorable", is that an example of "simplistic petulance"? nt procon Sep 2017 #69
The things I learn here. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #81
You still up what time zone snooper2 Sep 2017 #149
I'm not feeling sorry for her. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #73
So you say. procon Sep 2017 #77
This has NOTHING to do with picking on Melania, or having sympathy for her Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #82
Maybe you have a different meaning of the term "xenophobia"? procon Sep 2017 #117
ridiculing how she pronounces words, Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #139
Whoa, has anyone demanded that she should, "Speak English"? procon Sep 2017 #145
My current theory is that she exaggerates the accent just so she doesn't have to talk to Donald Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #35
An foreign accent is no big deal. It's the content that matters. DFW Sep 2017 #37
Yep, after living in LittleGirl Sep 2017 #44
Schwyzer German is VERY special DFW Sep 2017 #52
LOL LittleGirl Sep 2017 #67
Kinda sorta DFW Sep 2017 #68
Indeed, it's gruezi LittleGirl Sep 2017 #125
If you have a laptop or desktop, there is a whole table of "foreign" symbols DFW Sep 2017 #156
yes, there is LittleGirl Sep 2017 #158
I did my duty DFW Sep 2017 #160
I agree. It's childish and classless and reflects much worse on the mocker than the mockee. WillowTree Sep 2017 #42
Lighten up, Frances! I DON'T think Melania is an "odious human being" (you think THAT is WinkyDink Sep 2017 #43
Many people do indeed, believe mocking an accent is humorous. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #59
*many robots do indeed bathroommonkey76 Sep 2017 #62
You seem too young to remember the late, great comedian Bill Dana. Pity. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #100
Oooh, so we are NOT really above name-calling! Heal thyself. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #101
YES LittleGirl Sep 2017 #45
I don't mind people mocking her accent bathroommonkey76 Sep 2017 #48
Isn't this couched in the fact that Trump degrades immigrants and Melania R B Garr Sep 2017 #50
Yes leftstreet Sep 2017 #60
Exactly, he called an entire country rapists, murderers, bad people R B Garr Sep 2017 #95
And it wasn't just one country, he actually smeared entire continents right after saying that ecstatic Sep 2017 #107
Ugh, he was basically saying anyone with brown skin... R B Garr Sep 2017 #128
So call her on that - that is a legitimate issue. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #136
This is the response I expected. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #72
It's always amazing how just commenting on a thread R B Garr Sep 2017 #98
Agree about making fun of her accent. lark Sep 2017 #58
Yeah, let's all get back to how fat her husband is. johnp3907 Sep 2017 #61
who? stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #64
There are two threads about her speech. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #88
Well she is a rascist PIG... stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #92
The fact that she jumped on the birth certificate bandwagon Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #93
I see "deporable" type comments on DU more and more. cwydro Sep 2017 #70
Perhaps she doesn't want to assimilate. I work with a dozen M&F former Soviet bloc coworkers. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #71
I.e. You've been here long enough. Learn to speak 'murican. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #74
I don't mock her language, I am just pointing out the double standard. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #79
I don't give a shit about Melania AT ALL..... onecent Sep 2017 #78
This isn't about Melania. It is about using xenophobia as a weapon. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #83
O,FGS. I for one, a traveller to all of Europe, Morocco, Canada, and Mexico, am not a xenophobe. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #102
Are you OK with me calling her a rascist POS ? stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #80
+1, and I haven't noticed too many of those accent post on DU uponit7771 Sep 2017 #84
There were two threads today. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #87
Is this OK with you ? stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #132
It's #fakenews. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #90
I haven't noticed them either. If she's mocked, I've seen it as a cynical contrast R B Garr Sep 2017 #94
Hmm...let me think. Do I care if racists are hurt if you use them as a weapon? Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #86
"Rascist" Dreamer Tatum Sep 2017 #104
I make fun of foreign accents sometimes. Dont think its xenophobic. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #85
Really? melman Sep 2017 #89
You must stay offended. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #96
So you can't answer melman Sep 2017 #97
I dont answer to you. Sorry... LexVegas Sep 2017 #99
Agreed melman Sep 2017 #91
OMG. Do you use Sunscreen #5000? Because you seem extremely sensitive. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #103
Extremely sensitive? melman Sep 2017 #106
What is that, a mink coat? moriah Sep 2017 #153
I'm old enough to remember Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #111
And "I'd rather be dead than Red".... moriah Sep 2017 #154
I haven't chimed in, but I think she's fair game ecstatic Sep 2017 #105
This has NOTHING to do with whether SHE is fair game Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #109
I don't agree that that's what's happening ("using foreignness as an insult") ecstatic Sep 2017 #114
So it's OK to use the N-word as an insult, as long as you aren't using it Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #135
There's plenty of that as well as fat shaming, ageism, law enforcement apologists... EarthFirst Sep 2017 #108
Agreed, all around. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #110
Agreed. This isn't the DU of yesteryear. I remember, probably 10 years ago or more when Purveyor Sep 2017 #112
My disgust with her has nothing to with where she was born. If arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #113
Precisely! Right on the money. VOX Sep 2017 #116
As long as you're not ridiculing her by making fun of her accident Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #133
I do view her as a horrible accident like her husband, a horrible arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #143
Not inclined to be charitable to someone who supported 45's birther crap... VOX Sep 2017 #115
Her bullying BS is the height of hypocrisy given how arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #119
One of the biggest lessons learned as a black woman in America... Quayblue Sep 2017 #121
Recommended and agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #122
There are many xenophobic posts on DU, but the ones talking about Melania Ninsianna Sep 2017 #123
Mentioning or noticing an accent is different from ridiculing it, or someone because of it. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #131
Depends on how they're mentioning or noticing it. I think this is a bit hyperreactive Ninsianna Sep 2017 #134
"of which a great deal is easily found" melman Sep 2017 #137
Then open your eyes and take a look my friend, it's not exactly hidden. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #138
Nice of you to judge that what I - and the majorityof people in this thread - Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #140
Well, accusing people of xenophobia by projecting a very odd definition of it Ninsianna Sep 2017 #142
As I have expressly stated several times Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #161
Yes, and while we're at it, can we please stop making odious comments about people's weight and InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #127
+1000 Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #130
Even Trump's hair? Haha. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #150
I have an accent and I will make fun of her as well mshasta Sep 2017 #141
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #146
The next swimsuit edition comes out in February snooper2 Sep 2017 #147
Children of politicians should never be discussed and spouses rarely unless they make a political stevenleser Sep 2017 #148
I hate it when people pick on someone that claimed Obama was Kenyan. tenderfoot Sep 2017 #151
I never even hinted that criticizing her generally was xenophobic. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #162
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #152
absolutely. drray23 Sep 2017 #159
Your post made me think of this... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #164
Were I to hear your (or any) French accent, I'd be thrilled! I would ask you your hometown, tell WinkyDink Sep 2017 #166
For what it's worth TeapotInATempest Sep 2017 #163
Thank-you for this post. Chemisse Sep 2017 #165
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