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In reply to the discussion: Would you rather of had Bernie run for President as an independent?! [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)90. I'm tired of these endless falsehoods about Bernie's campaigning for Hillary.
There've been multiple threads refuting the smears. I don't have the patience to compile a complete list of Bernie's campaign events for Hillary, or to dig out that video in which she effusively thanks him for his support. I'll just quickly refute your specific charges.
"After the convention he spent July and August writing his book...." False. Per this C-SPAN report of a July 12 rally:
Senator Bernie Sanders Campaign Event with Hillary Clinton Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) campaigned with Democratic presumptive presidential nominee Hillary Clinton at a rally in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. He endorsed and congratulated Secretary Clinton for winning the nominating process and said he would do everything to make certain she becomes the next president.
"{I}n September he only did two campaign events for her -- still too busy writing." False. Per this list of Clinton speeches in September 2016, he appeared for her on September 5 in Lebanon, New Hampshire; on September 17 at two events in Ohio, one in Kent and one in Akron; and on September 28 in Durham, New Hampshire.
And, please, no goalpost moving about "Well it was only four events in September." I stress that this isn't a complete list. I stopped investigating when I had enough to refute your statement. He did many more events during the campaign.
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Yes. And my preferece is he work directly for the GOP and "help' them out for a change.
GeneMcM
Nov 2017
#120
Nationally he would have been just a blip on the radar if he'd run as an independent.
brush
Nov 2017
#36
Yet Stein is basically the anti-christ on here who cost Clinton the election
Cuthbert Allgood
Nov 2017
#37
and being a blip is really what the democratic process is about...The fact that his exposure has
JCanete
Nov 2017
#50
He was known by politically active progressives and liberals, not to rank and file Dems.
brush
Nov 2017
#58
not than Hillary, no. I meant than stein. He would have more likely played spoiler, in the mold of
JCanete
Nov 2017
#67
"Basically, he shouldn't have run at all is the real message." Wow, I really did misunderstand.
brush
Nov 2017
#70
heh, I didn't mean that was my message, and I disagree that would have been the result. nt
JCanete
Nov 2017
#73
I meant anybody saying he should have run as an independent is really saying he shouldn't have run.
JCanete
Nov 2017
#77
No one said his ideas didn't resonate. I'm saying as an independence who would've even been...
brush
Nov 2017
#116
Good points. Perot is an even more recent example. He took away enough votes from HW Bush...
brush
Nov 2017
#124
No. Clinton wouldn't have won the popular vote and the Dem Party would have been hurt more.
Garrett78
Nov 2017
#7
That is refighting the primary...and if Sen. Sanders had not run at all, Hillary Clinton would be
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#53
No there were Republicans who switched to Obama and then switched back to voting Republican
emulatorloo
Nov 2017
#80
Your son is a right winger...you have my sympathies...and I don't think anyone who could vote
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#39
I find that to be bullshit...talk is cheap.The righties would love to keep the Bernie/Hillary
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#55
The "passion" for Sanders on the campuses wasn't enough to motivate them them to vote for him
lunamagica
Nov 2017
#59
I admire Bernie as a gadfly and visionary. I never thought he had much chance as a
highplainsdem
Nov 2017
#11
Better for him in what way? Not financially. Not electorally. No, it wouldn't have been
seaglass
Nov 2017
#13
As an independent he can pick and choose what Dem positions he wants to embrace...but just don't
Kirk Lover
Nov 2017
#24
And spent most of the money he received as publicity instead of helping the party and the DNC.
coolsandy
Nov 2017
#20
hey should have gotten off the stage if he wasn't going to join the Democrat party
Rene
Nov 2017
#30
Yes, I would have rather Sen. Sanders run as an independent...the damage to the party would not have
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#38
Bernie is not a Democrat. Bernie is not Presidential material as he could not
democratisphere
Nov 2017
#54
It's a useless question. He wouldn't have run as an independent under any circumstances
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#60
The guy has based his entire political strategy on working in alliance with Dems.
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#75
When you respond like that, it's an admission that you have no argument against what I've said.
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#79
OK...I hadn't thought of an assessment of what a particular politician might do
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#106
Yes.because it would have shown honesty. The fact that he changed to independent when he didn't get
lunamagica
Nov 2017
#62
No. I'd rather that he had conceded by early May when the mathematical loss occurred,
pnwmom
Nov 2017
#64
This is the sad, pathetic and unvarnished truth. So many things could have been...
NurseJackie
Nov 2017
#89
You're right. He finally endorsed her on July 12, more than 2 months after her win was certain.
pnwmom
Nov 2017
#97
Yes. If you are an independent then you should run as one. If you want to run as a Dem than you
Kirk Lover
Nov 2017
#68
At this point yes. From what I've seen the last few days, this party is in terminal decline
LittleBlue
Nov 2017
#83
If Bernie had won the nomination Jeb Bush would be in the WHite House today.
mikehiggins
Nov 2017
#95
The system was not remotely stacked against him. He had every opportunity to win.
StevieM
Nov 2017
#96
I see your points. I'll just speak for myself but I don't want to run liberals out of the party but
Kirk Lover
Nov 2017
#105
From my point of view, the purity tests havent been from the liberals on this site
LostOne4Ever
Nov 2017
#134
It is not about the things you listed. It's about integrity and honesty. He changed back to
lunamagica
Nov 2017
#125