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Lefty Thinker

(96 posts)
23. Ugh...the credit card
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:37 AM
Jul 2012

metaphor. I have to speak out against this. In 1971, when Nixon (yes, the Republican) took the US off the gold standard, he changed all the rules in ways most economists refuse to recognize. Because the US government has, since then, had the power to create and destroy US dollars as they see fit there is, in fact, no "credit card"...at least not one you and I would recognize. Yes, with government debt there is an obligation to pay the lender, but with what? With money the government has every right (and sometimes a duty) to create. And, as with anything you can create at will, there is no point in keeping a box/tub/vault full of it -- just destroy whatever you receive and create it again when you want to give it to someone else. (This is, of course, done digitally not with physical bills or coins.)

In reality, Modern Monetary Theory proves that government debt is just a way to put a lower bound on the overnight interbank reserve interest rate; no bank is going to lend money to another bank for a lower rate than that at which they can lend to the government. In fact, the net government spending "financed" by the borrowing actually has to happen first to produce the excess reserves soaked up by the Treasuries. The government is not obligated to borrow in order to net spend at all (see Article II, Section 8 of the Constitution about coining money).

The whole "credit card" metaphor is just as broken as the government finances being run like a "family budget." What family does anyone know that can legally print US dollars? These are just 1%er fallacies to confuse the public into supporting the wrong actions of Congress. That's why I hate them so much.

This should not fall down the rabbit hole. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #1
We have the ability to tax them, but not the will. Zalatix Jul 2012 #2
The last time we had huge top tax rate increase was ErikJ Jul 2012 #4
Just read it.... whoah.... 6502 Jul 2012 #21
Ugh...the credit card Lefty Thinker Jul 2012 #23
Real estate is what is behind the full faith and credit of the US dollar. Blanks Jul 2012 #32
Speaking of gold standards - Have you been following the scandal in the UK involving how ecently the truedelphi Jul 2012 #36
Excellent observation! K&R'd. snot Jul 2012 #3
Why don't we call it what it is ----unpatriotic and unAmerican young_at_heart Jul 2012 #5
Yes. Call them for what they are. Economic traitors. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #19
Really good. K & R freshwest Jul 2012 #6
They have no intention of sharing with (you people) They share, they lose the gentleman's agreement. Tikki Jul 2012 #7
"If you can't, if you can't like Greece couldn't, we see how that goes." SunSeeker Jul 2012 #8
K&R n/t. airplaneman Jul 2012 #9
We need tax treaties. End tax havens like Switzerland & Caymans. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #10
Good idea, but US respects int'l. organizations only if convenient. closeupready Jul 2012 #26
And why is the TPP truedelphi Jul 2012 #37
K&R Cleita Jul 2012 #11
It should be illegal to hide your money offshore. period. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #12
++1 Historic NY Jul 2012 #15
Technically, all offshore accounts over $10,000 MUST be reported closeupready Jul 2012 #27
That would be a hobby horse! calimary Jul 2012 #41
Declining societies have elites that refuse to carry their share... midnight Jul 2012 #13
And elites that loot the treasury and resources -stashing them in Swiss banks. ErikJ Jul 2012 #20
K 'n' R hifiguy Jul 2012 #14
K&R me b zola Jul 2012 #16
exactly. n/t RainDog Jul 2012 #17
Spot-on. AzDar Jul 2012 #18
ah bullshit hfojvt Jul 2012 #22
I agree. Blue_In_AK Jul 2012 #25
Yep, them Big Ol' "Job Creators" truedelphi Jul 2012 #38
This too shall pass. Blue_In_AK Jul 2012 #24
Brilliant analysis by Chris Hayes CanonRay Jul 2012 #28
Yes. His comment blew my mind. immoderate Jul 2012 #31
Corruption 101 DallasNE Jul 2012 #29
A wealth tax would solve this problem - if only we could get our legislatures to vote for it! reformist2 Jul 2012 #30
We just need to get rid of all of their tax loopholes and charge them a flat rate that ` avebury Jul 2012 #33
That's one of the things that happened in Rome. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #34
I'm too awed by rich people to consider raising taxes on them. wakemewhenitsover Jul 2012 #35
K&R 99Forever Jul 2012 #39
BFEE Mission Accomplished Octafish Jul 2012 #40
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #42
Tax the rich or take a hike. aquart Jul 2012 #43
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