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Stone & Infowars knew before, Putinbots all over it. Is this a plan to undermine #metoo [View all]

Stone & Infowars knew before, Putinbots all over it: how to deal with the horrific possibility
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/16/1716256/-Roger-Stone-knew-before-Putinbots-all-over-it-how-to-deal-with-the-horrific-possibility

STONE:





INFOWARS:



Now look at the timestamps on those tweets. They’re all within nine minutes of each other — from 1:12 to 1:21 a.m. Nov. 16.


So look how a fake allegation against a Dem, especially a Dem who passionately defends sexual assault victims, is a win for the right wing. Liberals themselves will be inclined to believe it, driven by their own morality. Any liberal who doubts it will be attacked by other liberals (amply helped by the Trumpcult and the bots) as a hypocrite or rape apologist. Liberals will be emotionally crushed by disillusionment to see one of their champions found guilty (before he’s actually been found guilty), adding to their cynicism about powerful men in general.

However it gets even bigger and more evil than that. They cannot lose even if their plot is exposed and the accuser, or, better still, multiple accusers, are discredited.

Why? Because, in far too many peoples’ minds, that discredits ALL accusers.

Including those accusing Roy Moore and... Donald Trump.

And discrediting all accusers is exactly what is needed for powerful men to be able to go back to getting away with systemic sexual violation!


5) Look for patterns. If there really is a plan to put a “long line” of Democrats “in the barrel,” it will give us an opportunity to do this. Because this is a new situation, I am not sure, but I think that there will be features that distinguish genuine media sexual assault allegations from false ones. I have noticed some patterns already in two cases I suspect of being false, George Takei and Al Franken, vs. ones I think are genuine either due to overwhelming evidence, e.g. Roy Moore, or an admission, e.g Louis CK:

• there’s a single accuser rather than multiple ones

• the accuser approached news media (or, in Tweeden’s case, was the news media) rather than news media approaching them (WaPo was careful to point this out in their original Moore story)

• the accuser did not ask for an investigation or charge or say that they had previously attempted to find some sort of recourse, unsuccessfully. (In my Takei diary, or perhaps a comment, I wrote that Takei, if he’s innocent, should try to initiate an investigation somehow, or at least welcome one; Franken, interestingly, has done exactly that)

• the news media outlet they went to was not a major, established one that did a comprehensive investigation with fact-checking

• recorded media that the accused says depicts clowning around was used as substantiation (a Howard Stern interview and a photo, respectively) of more severe abuse that was not recorded

• Russian bot/trolls allocated the vast majority of their resources to the accusation while it was trending on Twitter

• the accused has a solid reputation as a champion of women’s concerns including with respect to sexual assault/abuse
he displays that in his response, even if it is a denial, rather than making excuses for his behaviour (e.g. “I ask the girl’s mother”).
[Edit: John Ziegler notices some of these and other anomalies here.]

With the Franken case we can also now say that Roger Stone knew about it beforehand. Same with every Dem politician who gets accused from now on.



Other points:

She did not look sincere the first time to me. Looked like someone trying to have her facial expressions match her words but not quite managing it.

Also the fact of Hannity saying in his interview with her, that she showed him the photo years ago, but he kept quiet all these years. Tweeden laughs when he says that in the interview.

Yeah, sure! (BTW: Funny how Hannity suddenly cares about sexual abuse!)

If this is a hit job, it shows the GOP does not give a crap about victims of sexual abuse , & may it all backfire on the GOP.



I am sorry but I think we are divided in this issue, even though we all care about sexual abuse and sexual assault.

Also in a court of law what would Franken be convicted of? Giving a kiss she consented to. Photo of grabbing breasts but not really grabbing.


Edited to add link mentioned in article above:

I Loathe Al Franken, But It Sure Seems Like He is Getting Totally Railroaded
https://www.mediaite.com/online/i-loathe-al-franken-but-it-sure-seems-like-he-is-getting-totally-railroaded/


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