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BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
60. Unfortunately, I believe that you
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:49 AM
Nov 2017

are correct on many points. But I see them applying primarily to the US as a nation, rather than to the world as a whole. This, IMO, is a tragic shame, when for so long we were seen by the world as an admirable example to follow. No more, I'm afraid. Not at all.

If anything, the US is serving as a VERY bad example of what happens to democracy when a population is deliberately dumbed down, people do not inform themselves about the issues, preferring personalities to programs and money rules the airwaves. Most developed nations around the world - especially in Europe - are determined NOT to follow this example. Even some in the developing world are paying attention.

This is not to say that everything is perfect here and there are lots of niggling problems that need to be addressed. But there is strong national commitment to European unity and the strong post-WWII social democracies that evolved healthily in most of Europe - even in the UK until Margaret Thatcher - are well entrenched here. Best of all, with the horrors of Trump made manifest on a daily basis, most have learned that they must never take anything for granted - if they ever really forgot. After all, this region LIVED through two world wars in the 20th century, while the US was largely spared.

The only good thing about having the Orange Abomination in office is that most I know in the international community and my local community here are now well on guard about Russian and other meddling in their processes and institutions - to an extent they might never have been otherwise.

But yes, if it weren't for events like the Women's March and other good work that is being done by many to elect good Dems to office in order to turn the tide, I would have given up on everything in the US by now.

There has rarely been a day since Election Night 2016 that I have not been in tears for my country. I will NOT forgive.

I keep thinking about Yeats' poem, The Second Coming. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #1
Russia is manipulating things all over the world. They want chaos. SharonAnn Nov 2017 #14
+1 orangecrush Nov 2017 #15
Russia hell, we have a petty vindictive divisive PINO onit2day Nov 2017 #56
thrown overboard orangecrush Nov 2017 #74
it is the people with money... Russia has people with money scarytomcat Nov 2017 #44
We don't need Russia's help. We're doing a pretty good job ourselves. Lochloosa Nov 2017 #63
wait till humans discover that the secret of authoritarian power is certainot Nov 2017 #75
That about sums it up! burrowowl Nov 2017 #35
Yes. Sadly apropo. maddiemom Nov 2017 #45
One of my all-time favorites and, yes, particularly appropriate today. Also, Frost's Stonepounder Nov 2017 #54
Not familiar with that one. Thanks for posting. Nt raccoon Nov 2017 #61
I am not familiar either. Beautiful and chilling. bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #67
woa. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2017 #71
Add me to the list of not having known this one. susanna Nov 2017 #83
That is so appropriate for our times. nt zanana1 Nov 2017 #65
I have read this poem more this past year... susanna Nov 2017 #84
K&R. You may want to correct to "own shadows" before this gets to the Greatest Page. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #2
Thanks! MrScorpio Nov 2017 #4
Just in time too. rzemanfl Nov 2017 #6
How can it spiral out of control if it is flat? Not Ruth Nov 2017 #3
Thought experiment, pizza box thrown like a Frisbee. rzemanfl Nov 2017 #5
Please don't throw yourself over the edge, I always enjoy your comments. fierywoman Nov 2017 #11
Don't worry, every time I try I end up going around in circles. rzemanfl Nov 2017 #12
If the earth were really flat, cats would have knocked everything off it by now. nt tblue37 Nov 2017 #9
nt fantase56 Nov 2017 #26
This MFM008 Nov 2017 #53
... orangecrush Nov 2017 #16
"Confusion, indecision, fear; these are my weapons." -- Adolf Hitler /nt radius777 Nov 2017 #7
I had never heard this Hitler quote so I went to do google-fu steve2470 Nov 2017 #31
Here are a couple of interesting Hitler quotes that could have come from 2016 DFW Nov 2017 #64
In so many ways we are eating our seed corn. I normally use that line tblue37 Nov 2017 #8
here's my fear steve2470 Nov 2017 #10
What you described happened after Nixon and Watergate BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #20
yes steve2470 Nov 2017 #23
We were able to turn the tide in 2006 BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #29
Yes. It is so clear now in hindsight KPN Nov 2017 #69
I think BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #80
That's my fear as well. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #47
I have a feeling a lot of this is because of who the man in the Kremlin is. Initech Nov 2017 #13
I have been a nervous wreck every day get the red out Nov 2017 #17
Agree with you. zentrum Nov 2017 #18
Why are the Rich turning into Nazis? GeorgeGist Nov 2017 #19
Fascism is the close alignment (sometimes forcibly) of corporations and state. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #28
It is intentional, deliberate, and for the sake of those in power. CousinIT Nov 2017 #21
I have a friend that says people won't understand until it's like 1930 again rurallib Nov 2017 #22
I halfway agree with your friend steve2470 Nov 2017 #24
It happens fairly regularly throughout history Kentonio Nov 2017 #25
Anyone tiptonic Nov 2017 #27
I'm losing faith daily n/t hibbing Nov 2017 #30
Me too ellie Nov 2017 #32
We haven't hit bottom yet, and people have forgotten how far down that is. crosinski Nov 2017 #33
Why? (Also, not out of control, wrong control) Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #34
we have failed to over see the counting of our votes questionseverything Nov 2017 #57
Ever since I saw the documentary Hacking Democracy about 6 years ago, Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2017 #58
election integrity groups are fighting right now in georgia,virginia questionseverything Nov 2017 #82
Fox "News", hate radio, and the mega-churches FiveGoodMen Nov 2017 #36
Yeah I'm done playing nice. Fuck 'em all and the assholes who voted for them! Initech Nov 2017 #52
Great post! hamsterjill Nov 2017 #59
This. So much this. CrispyQ Nov 2017 #72
Shock Doctrine -- absolutely! They'll come for our social security and water too (n/t) Auggie Nov 2017 #37
we need to focus KT2000 Nov 2017 #38
For those of us old enough to remember "The Twilight Zone". WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2017 #39
I don't remember the Twilight Zone, but I have started to watch old episodes and it's smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #48
Sometimes I swear Rod Serling was a damn time traveler. WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2017 #49
That's a great premise for a story! CrispyQ Nov 2017 #73
OK...now you've got me thinking. WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2017 #76
we must work together handmade34 Nov 2017 #40
It seems senseless but its actually planned chaos. FightingIrish Nov 2017 #41
+100 KT2000 Nov 2017 #55
sigh Hekate Nov 2017 #42
Absolutely right about everything you said. world wide wally Nov 2017 #43
The healthy thing would be... GetRidOfThem Nov 2017 #46
Monsters from the Id? FailureToCommunicate Nov 2017 #50
Add the fact that we've destroyed our planet, and whew we are on our way out. MLAA Nov 2017 #51
Unfortunately, I believe that you BlueMTexpat Nov 2017 #60
Evil always overplays its hand. It's happening now. GreenEyedLefty Nov 2017 #62
K&R for all these replies so far. defacto7 Nov 2017 #66
K&R. The climate too. We are creating our own extinction level event. bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #68
"What's the point of ...." mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2017 #70
😭 BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2017 #77
We are NOT being divided among the sane....this actually has woken many many of us up adigal Nov 2017 #78
58 people were massacred in Las Vegas and its already stale, back-page news. VOX Nov 2017 #79
The problems outlined are very real and the extent of their Enoki33 Nov 2017 #81
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