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Skinner

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Fri May 4, 2012, 11:04 AM May 2012

According to the DU Terms of Service, general election season has begun. Don't expect big changes. [View all]

It is clear that the 2012 presidential election is going to be President Obama vs. Mitt Romney. So, for the purposes of enforcement of the DU Terms of Service, general election season has begun. Here is the relevant section:

Vote for Democrats.
Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

So, what does this mean? In short, it means we're all expected to support President Obama for re-election in 2012. If you are going to vote for President Obama, then you'll probably be fine.

We know some members are expecting the start of election season to signal a sea change on DU, in which the hammer drops and criticism of President Obama is stopped in its tracks. But 2012 is not 2008 or 2004. At this point, we don't see any reason why that would happen. In fact, we don't think there is going to be a particularly noticeable difference between primary season and general election season here on DU, for two reasons.

There was no divisive Democratic presidential primary campaign this year
Back in 2004 and 2008 we had fiercely contested Democratic presidential primaries, in which DU members picked sides and fought like hell for their candidates. When the primaries were finally over there was lots of ill-will, and some members who supported unsuccessful candidates were not in any mood to support the nominee. Those people who insisted on continuing the primary-season fighting after primary season was over were poisoning the community and ultimately some of them needed to be removed. But this year there was no Democratic presidential primary, so we don't have any problems with primary-season sour grapes.

Barack Obama is already the President of the United States
Back in 2004 and 2008 the sitting president was a Republican, George W. Bush. In both years, our candidates -- John Kerry in 2004 and Barack Obama in 2008 -- were merely aspiring to the job of President. This is an important distinction. When our candidates did not hold the office of President, there was really no compelling need to criticize them except to derail their campaigns. But this year, President Obama is already President, and he is going to continue to exercise the powers of the office of President of the United States throughout the campaign. This means he is going to make real decisions that have real-world consequences, and DU members are likely to disagree about some of those decisions. We are not going to stop people from posting good-faith criticism of the President's actions as President. We know we went through some pretty ugly periods here during the Obama presidency, but at this point it looks like almost everyone here is on-board with President Obama already, and we don't anticipate that changing. (To be clear, you don't get a green light to relentlessly trash President Obama if you claim you are going to vote for him. As the TOS say: If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.)

Having said all that, please be aware that the DU Terms of Service are pretty strict, and we don't cut a great deal of slack to people who violate them. If you are here to advocate on behalf of Mitt Romney or some lost-cause third-party spoiler, you will be banned. We're unlikely to give you a warning first because -- let's face it -- if you are supporting someone other than Barack Obama you are on the wrong website. We don't care if you live in the bluest blue state, or the reddest red state -- President Obama is our candidate.

Skinner, EarlG, Elad
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Thank you Admins!!! Scuba May 2012 #1
Possible big Elephant in room. loggerboots May 2012 #78
Good. JNelson6563 May 2012 #2
+1 Number23 May 2012 #42
Could you tack this JustAnotherGen May 2012 #3
I second the request to pin this. dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #16
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #4
thanks for this and I hope just hope all the members read the announcement forum maddezmom May 2012 #5
This is very fair and very reasonable n/t Prism May 2012 #6
Obamas gonna wipe the floor with Romney Skink May 2012 #7
I didn't think Bush would win. aquart May 2012 #20
+ 1000 nt abelenkpe May 2012 #26
At this point, there are much better ways to affect change than to throw your vote away corkhead May 2012 #8
K&R... SidDithers May 2012 #9
Ditto to that! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #31
And this: RC May 2012 #36
And this:... SidDithers May 2012 #39
I don't have to worry. RC May 2012 #40
After what happened in the 2010 mid-terms... one_voice May 2012 #10
Fair enough. I don't see women doing well at all TBF May 2012 #11
can the TOS option in jury duty be more apparent? Whisp May 2012 #12
Amen, Skinner... It's hard enough dealing with them on other sites. This is our HOME. secondwind May 2012 #13
I don't believe Ron Paul has conceded yet Enrique May 2012 #14
Fuck Ron Paul ellisonz May 2012 #17
Nawww. I am so looking forward to the Republican convention. aquart May 2012 #22
I'd really prefer not to. Crunchy Frog May 2012 #25
+1 freshwest May 2012 #76
True abelenkpe May 2012 #29
For all we know, he conceded 25 times during Newt's televised pity party. gkhouston May 2012 #32
Don't just vote! Get out the vote! MineralMan May 2012 #15
Certainly anyone who comes here to advocate for Mitt Rmoney should be banned! Dawson Leery May 2012 #18
I doubt if they're even enthusiastically advocating Romney on THEIR sites! As someone posted, gateley May 2012 #41
Thank you for the clarification. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #19
If your post Jakes Progress May 2012 #59
Some will demand loyalty oaths. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #67
And some don't mind Jakes Progress May 2012 #71
I just hope legitimate policy criticisms aren't taken as suppressing the vote mmonk May 2012 #21
I think yesterday's spate of posts are a good test case frazzled May 2012 #24
LOL mmonk May 2012 #27
Thank you admins! FlaGatorJD May 2012 #23
I alerted on an OP where a poster said he was not voting for Obama proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #28
As of today, Friday FredStembottom May 2012 #33
Third Party Advocacy has ALWAYS been against TOS obamanut2012 May 2012 #38
Technically only if it threatens the electability of the Democrat. quakerboy May 2012 #55
You might want to check Skinner's comment here: JTFrog May 2012 #61
I would take that to mean that its not a time dependant rule quakerboy May 2012 #66
Clear violations of community standards or rules that are accepted by jury rhett o rick May 2012 #35
That juries left it alone doesn't reflect necessarily on what the rules require. NYC_SKP May 2012 #49
When did this rule come up? secretdj May 2012 #53
Pretty sure it has always been a rule. JTFrog May 2012 #63
Well said AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #68
K&R! classof56 May 2012 #30
...and those us who say: FredStembottom May 2012 #34
Let the season of banning of trolls begin! nt Javaman May 2012 #37
I will be voting for Democrats! kurtzapril4 May 2012 #43
i do not support obama... tomp May 2012 #44
If you feel that strongly, how about a vote to cancel out a Romney vote? dmr May 2012 #45
I live in New York tomp May 2012 #60
I honestly love this rule. Jamaal510 May 2012 #46
As I suspected. The system is working. joshcryer May 2012 #47
I endorse the above message usregimechange May 2012 #48
Thanks, Skinner! SunSeeker May 2012 #50
A refuge from all that slogging-through-crap is the way I see it, too. pacalo May 2012 #56
Great. Let's not support ANY Republican policies like cutting SS! grahamhgreen May 2012 #51
Whoa. Let's not go overboard. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #69
I'd appreciate more guidance. snot May 2012 #52
Here's your answer Lil Missy May 2012 #54
I am not happy with alot of Obama's decisions and choice Suji to Seoul May 2012 #57
I'm still expecting big changes. BlueIris May 2012 #58
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #62
Skinner: Could you consider adding an additional exception? beyurslf May 2012 #64
Pauls has a primary opponent! proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #65
Really? Does her opponent have a website? beyurslf May 2012 #72
His name is Eric Bishop. He just announced this week. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #73
I don't usually go to Demofest or anything. I know I should go, but it always seems to fall when I beyurslf May 2012 #74
Sometimes. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #75
Good idea! AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #70
I agree with every word of that. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #77
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