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Sancho

(9,073 posts)
4. Here we go again...easy access to guns by people who should never have one.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:05 AM
Feb 2015

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Hey, we got a gun BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #1
We gots guns and we gonna use them. Killing is SO much easier to settle scores when you have a gun. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #10
Stupidity compounded. Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #2
O.K. Corral ain't got nothin' on these pilgrims. Hoppy Feb 2015 #3
just remember that in the *real* Wild West Schema Thing Feb 2015 #6
Here we go again...easy access to guns by people who should never have one. Sancho Feb 2015 #4
And people will definitely phil89 Feb 2015 #29
Of course they will break the rules... Sancho Feb 2015 #57
Que the idiots that will claim none of this will work mikeysnot Feb 2015 #38
Gun culture magic. nt onehandle Feb 2015 #5
guns .. the simple solution to all of life's problems Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #7
guns, guns, guns! wonderful guns! KG Feb 2015 #8
I find this really confusing. Coventina Feb 2015 #9
It's more complicated than that csziggy Feb 2015 #11
OK, thanks for the clarification. Coventina Feb 2015 #16
That's not what the story said brush Feb 2015 #20
This story is so confusing ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #25
The story is only confusing, if you want the woman to be the aggressor happyslug Feb 2015 #45
The corrected version of the story released by the police is not that clear brush Feb 2015 #49
Here is the portion of the news story I attempted to paraphrase csziggy Feb 2015 #33
That was a really confusing article. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #24
Why don't you ask Trayvon Martin? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #14
He was shown during the trial phil89 Feb 2015 #30
Well, that was the theory put forth by the defense, who ultimately won. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #32
The problem was that the prosecution didn't present an alternative narrative Taitertots Feb 2015 #59
I can't speak for the prosecution and its strategy. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #61
Looking for trouble, isn't defending themselves... Historic NY Feb 2015 #17
That's actually what I meant. The mother & son were the aggressors, hunting the other party with a Coventina Feb 2015 #19
Go looking for trouble, you'll find it. davepc Feb 2015 #12
By going BACK to their home and shooting them???? happyslug Feb 2015 #21
So if they got the plate number why don't the police arrest the shooter? hugo_from_TN Feb 2015 #26
They have a description, but after the shooting he left happyslug Feb 2015 #27
If they weren't going to confront them, why did they take a gun? SwankyXomb Feb 2015 #34
Some people scare easily, thus want a gun happyslug Feb 2015 #41
It sounds to me like they were more HappyMe Feb 2015 #36
There is no report of any confrontation except when her daughter was driving AND the shooting happyslug Feb 2015 #46
lol! HappyMe Feb 2015 #47
the entire family seems to be lacking in any common sense whatsoever.. frylock Feb 2015 #50
Yeah, not much in the way HappyMe Feb 2015 #52
so she just wanted to look at it? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #39
Then you explain why she was stopped in HER driveway? happyslug Feb 2015 #40
It's a poorly written story notadmblnd Feb 2015 #48
it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the son brandished his weapon frylock Feb 2015 #51
FWIW, I also found it poorly written and confusing deutsey Feb 2015 #53
Idiocy all around. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #13
Conflict resolution: The American way! LeftinOH Feb 2015 #15
Shocking geomon666 Feb 2015 #18
We have gone completely off the rails as a culture and society. How much further proof do you need? Hestia Feb 2015 #22
"I would never say that anybody went looking for trouble..." Iggo Feb 2015 #23
Stand your ground goes mobile! Myrina Feb 2015 #28
Of course she was looking for trouble. She went with her armed son looking for the still_one Feb 2015 #31
So which one was the good guy with the gun that stopped the bad guy with the gun!? villager Feb 2015 #35
exactly - guns kill people samsingh Feb 2015 #43
Dumb asses with guns Politicalboi Feb 2015 #37
one of the gun lovers was going to get shot samsingh Feb 2015 #44
this is the tragic reality of guns samsingh Feb 2015 #42
Where is the anti-TAX crowd? vkkv Feb 2015 #54
There's something wrong when a mother goes and gets her 22-year old son who has a gun. hamsterjill Feb 2015 #55
funny thing about morons with guns... Javaman Feb 2015 #56
What does Robert Meyers mean by this? City Lights Feb 2015 #58
She and her armed son became the aggressors when they got in the car to find the car and Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #60
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