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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
41. Really?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:10 AM
Mar 2015

So Putin issued an ultimatum to Kiev that it had to follow within 48 hours, or it would be bombed. Putin ordered the Russian military to conduct a shock and awe campaign that leveled the Ukraine infrastructure and destroyed the Kiev military, killing tens of thousands of people from the air. The Russian army invaded and occupied all Ukraine within a couple of weeks (which it undoubtedly could do). It now holds Kiev and has installed an occupation government. Is that what you think is a valid analogy?!

This is exactly what I'm talking about: Let's dispense with the analogies. Western propaganda is engaging in an awesome misrepresentation of a civil-war conflict that started in Kiev, and got Russians involved on the side of the Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Even if you want to say Moscow planned this from behind one side (the way the State Department has admitted doing from behind the other), you've got this absolutely rabid nonsense being dispensed by people like Breedlove and Nuland and in the U.S. media - and on DU, where people think nothing of calling Putin a "Hitler." And that's what they did with Saddam! Therein lies the analogy - not in any actions, but in the absurdity of the propaganda being claimed and swallowed, and in its dangerousness. When people invoke "appeasement" of the Nazis as a valid parallel in this case, they are flirting with World War III.

So when is Crimea going to be liberated JonLP24 Mar 2015 #1
Gallup is part of fascist Russia's plot. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #21
Its really bad given the current reporting of information right now JonLP24 Mar 2015 #23
And here we are again... JackRiddler Mar 2015 #25
Please tell me you don't actually believe Putin is the Saddam in that analogy. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #27
Viewed from the U.S. side, yes. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #39
No matter the angle, Putin is the Bush in that analogy. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #40
Really? JackRiddler Mar 2015 #41
... NuclearDem Mar 2015 #42
"Russia's natural gas interests"? JackRiddler Mar 2015 #45
"the Kiev war" NuclearDem Mar 2015 #48
Thanks for adding common sense. The current headline is also out of context newthinking Mar 2015 #31
I do believe Crimean voted in favor by a very narrow majority JonLP24 Mar 2015 #32
That was the Ukrainian Independence referendum. Crimea's was 94%, not a slim number. newthinking Mar 2015 #33
Crimea was 94%? Are typing the right number or the right region or you mean? Ukraine JonLP24 Mar 2015 #34
"The coup just was the ignition that made what the people there have always wanted happen." Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #44
ugh... newthinking Mar 2015 #51
"There was no seizing of the parliament." Seriously? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #54
You made it sound like the Crimean government itself was seized newthinking Mar 2015 #57
Because that's exactly what happened. It was seized. Literally, seized. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #58
Um newthinking Mar 2015 #59
WTF? You sound just like Bill O'Reilly. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2015 #61
I'm sorry, but unless you have some facts that substantiate an alternate narrative on Crimea... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #62
I have offerred plenty of facts repeatedly newthinking Mar 2015 #64
Is this The House Of Cards? rickford66 Mar 2015 #2
Just sad. SpankMe Mar 2015 #3
Why is keeping Ukraine intact so important? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #4
I'm not sure what this has to do with the subject.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #10
Which is what the people of Ukraine is saying during all this JonLP24 Mar 2015 #20
So if we invade Canada will you be asking us geek tragedy Mar 2015 #13
Actually, Canada but I moved to Sweden in my head as a better example JonLP24 Mar 2015 #16
Why don't you google Slovakia? JackRiddler Mar 2015 #22
For reasons of international law Scootaloo Mar 2015 #28
International law isn't something I'm well aware of JonLP24 Mar 2015 #30
That's so WWII? JackRiddler Mar 2015 #26
where have you been? Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #52
I missed the part where the USA uhnope Mar 2015 #55
Not surprising Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #56
Putin is a master at obfuscation and desception blackspade Mar 2015 #5
"He would have been just annihilated. …" ashling Mar 2015 #6
oh that Putin, he is always doing some new thinking nt msongs Mar 2015 #7
he's a real purveyor nt uhnope Mar 2015 #19
Putin has no shame. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #9
sure. Russia marched into WW2 Ukraine, millions killed by nazis..they never really left. Sunlei Mar 2015 #11
No surprise. I disputed your use of 'Novorussia.' I was wrong: freshwest Mar 2015 #12
your point that "New Russia" was maybe the same as the old Russian Empire was well taken. nt uhnope Mar 2015 #15
Well, at that time I thought it was a fantasy, though. Thanks. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #18
Sorry...but I don't remember many arguing... Xolodno Mar 2015 #14
I'd rather the legal or say the broke the law without a trial agreeing JonLP24 Mar 2015 #36
The Knights of New Russia freshwest Mar 2015 #17
In other words ... Igel Mar 2015 #24
"Supporters of fascist Russia here on DU" Scootaloo Mar 2015 #29
You mean words like 'murder,' 'rivals,' and 'dictator?' tabasco Mar 2015 #49
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #50
First of all... Adrahil Mar 2015 #63
K Cha Mar 2015 #35
Perhaps preempting Nemtsov's disclosures. moondust Mar 2015 #37
What did he admit too exactly? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #38
I'm sure the plans to invade date back even further than what Putin is now admitting. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #43
No doubt they've had plans to invade since 1991. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #46
February 26, 2014. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #47
No doubt, the continued expansionism of New Russia will be rationalized by the apparatchik on DU. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #53
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