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101. Yeah, that, too. Truly. It's hard to accept.

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:44 PM

Mar 2015

It's hard to understand. Very true - it's hard to justify. And I'm not trying to make any excuses. It just doesn't make sense. Yet I do find myself wondering what could have caused him to do this. Nobody just does something like this on a lark, seems to me. But I'm certainly no expert.

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Marseille prosecutor says co-pilot put plane into a dive (Germanwings) [View all] Bosonic Mar 2015 OP

Wow. So tragic. octoberlib Mar 2015 #1

It would seem to me Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #56

In the US, I believe it's a reg to have a 2nd person on the flight deck when 1 pilot leaves... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #74

Whew! That makes me feel a bit better..I was not aware of that. virgogal Mar 2015 #80

If someone is willing to kill 150 people former9thward Mar 2015 #97

Maybe, maybe not. tabasco Mar 2015 #121

Not much you could do tho if the co-pilot is bent on taking down the CTyankee Mar 2015 #82

True, but he would have to both fly the plane and restrain the FA from opening the door... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #115

Yep. Betcha this has been rehearsed in FA training LOTS and prolly will MORE so... CTyankee Mar 2015 #116

The door has a key pad unlock mechanism which will work unless the person inside ladjf Mar 2015 #87

Yes, he can. former9thward Mar 2015 #96

Ah, thanks for the clarification Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #105

So the co-pilot knew smthg. was really wrong since the pilot overrode the keycode system with appalachiablue Mar 2015 #138

WTF? blackspade Mar 2015 #2

Only speculation, but perhaps intimidation against his family could make someone do this horror? on point Mar 2015 #7

Or he just wanted to commit suicide and didn't care about who he took with him. It's happened before Chakab Mar 2015 #19

I speculate oldlib2 Mar 2015 #29

28 year olds with good future commit suicide all the time Rebubula Mar 2015 #34

He must have been fairly healthy to pass all the tests pilots have to take, CTyankee Mar 2015 #38

Suicide is a leading cause of death among young people jberryhill Mar 2015 #79

that would make sense given that in general younger adults are in better shape CTyankee Mar 2015 #81

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #50

You oldlib2 Mar 2015 #92

It's mental illness. Don't try to apply logic. jeff47 Mar 2015 #68

Welcome to DU, oldlib2. calimary Mar 2015 #98

"And I actually feel for that copilot, too." EX500rider Mar 2015 #99

Yeah, that, too. Truly. It's hard to accept. calimary Mar 2015 #101

+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #119

+10. He clearly had it in for the airline or smthg. Otherwise do it at home like you say. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #137

suicide? awful irisblue Mar 2015 #3

Prosecutor identifies jet crash co-pilot as Andreas Lubitz Bosonic Mar 2015 #4

More on the pilots... PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #5

He's a first office on an A320 with only 630 total hrs?? Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #75

630 hours is not much more than a beginner. I don't know the minimum ladjf Mar 2015 #89

In the US it's 1500 hours jmowreader Mar 2015 #114

An ironic article about the co-pilot. gvstn Mar 2015 #64

He's off that list now... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #76

This is bull shit propaganda. The guy was a beginner and had no business being a FO ladjf Mar 2015 #90

Are you saying he didn't intend lock the Captain out, B2G Mar 2015 #91

No. I didn't say anything along the lines of what you thought I said. ladjf Mar 2015 #93

Horrifying AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #6

I was afraid of that. Nothing else made sense. catbyte Mar 2015 #8

I struggle to contemplate the horror. As a teacher of English as a Second Language to KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #9

Man, I know, in a small way, how you feel. Just gives me this sick feeling inside. calimary Mar 2015 #102

I suspect they are going to find something dubious in the co-pilot's background. mnhtnbb Mar 2015 #10

Might not even be hatred. He could have been despondent. Hopeless. calimary Mar 2015 #100

Robin Williams didn't take out 150 innocent souls when he departed. mnhtnbb Mar 2015 #104

Yes, certainly. calimary Mar 2015 #106

Germanwings co-pilot intended to destroy plane, says French prosecutor – live updates riversedge Mar 2015 #11

What drives a person to do something like this? TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #12

I think "dive" is a bit of a mischaracterization renegade000 Mar 2015 #13

He would not have locked the cockpit door, though. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #15

well, isn't it standard operating procedure post-9/11 renegade000 Mar 2015 #25

It's a system with safety features. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #35

Ah, thanks for the clarification... Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #59

Hmmm Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #58

You can be confident that they didn't overlook anything so blatantly obvious... Oktober Mar 2015 #62

I did not characterize myself as an "expert" Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #70

Yes deregulation & labor issues are important, for some time but not much mentioned in M$M. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #141

It was a "plunge" on cable news - drama over truth is the new news. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #17

The co-pilot was heard breathing normally B2G Mar 2015 #20

they can hear his breathing to the end, plus the pilot was 'actively' locked out magical thyme Mar 2015 #28

He would not have had to physically hold it, but he had to set the override. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #36

ah, if there is such a dead man's switch system renegade000 Mar 2015 #39

that is how the lock is described in one of the articles magical thyme Mar 2015 #44

It may be what qualifies as a current day "dive" because of current day safe quards: JimDandy Mar 2015 #61

If you look at the mountain on Google Earth w/ 3d terrain... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #77

Maybe insurance fraud, instead of terrorism? DinahMoeHum Mar 2015 #14

How does that hold up?? Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #16

Fake an air accident in a jetliner....not possible. Or could be a black hole, CNN will say anything. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #18

Motives and mental health are examined only once it is determined not to be "Terrorism," The Stranger Mar 2015 #40

When in doubt, "Ask The Pilot". . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2015 #94

If this turns out to be, indeed, true . . . markpkessinger Mar 2015 #21

Disagree in that treestar Mar 2015 #24

Actual hijackings are extremely rare relative to the number of commercial flights markpkessinger Mar 2015 #52

Is your stats are right then you are right treestar Mar 2015 #83

In the US, a flt crew member leaving the flight deck would've been replaced with a flt attendant Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #78

Sounds like a good idea treestar Mar 2015 #84

Yes, there is the assumption that the 'bad guys " are OUTside the cockpit..... riversedge Mar 2015 #30

Yesterday, I mentioned foul play and was promptly rebutted. AllyCat Mar 2015 #22

I speculated that it was sabotage, which in a way it was... CTyankee Mar 2015 #31

If anyone is breathing easier it's Airbus. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #128

It's definitely foul play! Very foul play. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #37

The pilot's version of "Going Postal" mainer Mar 2015 #23

In the 80s there was a crash in California treestar Mar 2015 #26

I remember that case. I think they found the killer's finger still wrapped in trigger mainer Mar 2015 #27

I recalled that one too, and I looked it up. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #95

An intern in our office died in that plane crash onenote Mar 2015 #118

Someone from the office I worked at was also killed in that crash. kwassa Mar 2015 #125

apparently there were rumors of mental illness internally at Lufthansa magical thyme Mar 2015 #32

I've been thinking that there were possibly... Little Star Mar 2015 #42

murder-suicide magical thyme Mar 2015 #45

Might be disgruntled because They were jacking with his retirement Eugene Stoner Mar 2015 #53

murder-suicide seems a tad more than "disgruntled." nt magical thyme Mar 2015 #55

From Post 23 - Pilot Going Postal.. Plus He really got their attention and impacted their operations Eugene Stoner Mar 2015 #60

So commit suicide and take out Lufthansa executives! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #122

That's pretty weak sauce alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #66

Lufthansa CEO HockeyMom Mar 2015 #69

Need to find out more about the co-pilot ProudProg2u Mar 2015 #33

No, it's not possible, because in that case the pilot would have been able to get back in. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #41

Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr, says it can be over-ridden.... Historic NY Mar 2015 #46

5-20 minutes, yes. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #51

given the details that are known, unlikely. magical thyme Mar 2015 #47

My husband is a retired pilot, first military and then commercial. 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #43

That seems a reasonable precaution fasttense Mar 2015 #54

That is US policy....not European brooklynite Mar 2015 #57

Professional pilots' forum has some interesting theories... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #48

"... we will never know if some terrapin got in the flightdeck and helped it all along." mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #129

Your guess is as good as mine. I'm not a member of the Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #130

Actually, I think 'terrapin' is literal (but not obvious) in this case: a reference to this... Princess Turandot Mar 2015 #131

Prosecutor reminds me of Ted Cruz - trying really hard to disparage working people. jtuck004 Mar 2015 #49

... doth protest too much ... Nihil Mar 2015 #63

He might be to blame treestar Mar 2015 #85

"if a bunch of alarms are going off." - if alarms were going off they would be on the audio tape. PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #88

They were. Travelman Mar 2015 #110

kick OKNancy Mar 2015 #65

This is beyond horrific ailsagirl Mar 2015 #67

Horrible. Just absolutely horrible. Travelman Mar 2015 #71

Different procedures in USA flights HockeyMom Mar 2015 #72

Not sure what good that would do B2G Mar 2015 #73

it's probably n ot the flying but the landing that would be pretty awful... CTyankee Mar 2015 #86

It could do a lot of good seveneyes Mar 2015 #103

It would mean that the FA could open the door Travelman Mar 2015 #108

The FA would most likely know how to open doors though. PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #133

As of tonight, many European carriers have implimented this USA post 9/11 safeguard Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #113

Is it at all possible that he had a stroke or somehow lost consciousness? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #107

Not really. Travelman Mar 2015 #109

Thanks, Travelman! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #112

How can it land the aircraft? I can't figure out how that can happen... CTyankee Mar 2015 #117

It can't. Travelman Mar 2015 #120

So there is no hope at this point...the the flight attendant can't land the plane CTyankee Mar 2015 #124

Not exactly. Travelman Mar 2015 #136

thank you for the info. I really try not to think about it too much, but I travel CTyankee Mar 2015 #139

Frankly, it surprised me, too. Travelman Mar 2015 #140

We Should Be Thankful He Didn't Fly It Into A Skyscraper 9/11 Style... Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #111

Sick. I am just haunted by what the last moments of what those 150 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #123

I Share Your Feelings, However I Take Comfort In Knowing They Didn't Suffer... Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #132

he didn't say one word Skittles Mar 2015 #142

I have said this before but... Skittles Mar 2015 #126

I know what you mean. Nihil Mar 2015 #127

it's not just the people who snap Skittles Mar 2015 #135

I've been under the impression that's been the official theory as to what happened to MH370 PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #134