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benEzra

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83. Talking about new gun restrictions/bans is most certainly going to grab people's attention.

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 10:06 AM

Jun 2015

Not just the corporate media, which is very communitarian/Third Way in outlook on that particular issue and will cheer any new gun control proposals to the moon even if merely mentioned in passing, but in the shooting sports and gun rights media as well. The moment new bans are on the table, it becomes THE issue to those who would be the targets of such restrictions. When you consider that 80+ million people of voting age own guns, with at least a third owning "assault weapons" or over-10-round magazines and as many as two thirds owning handguns, it can have a huge impact on the discussion. Heck, I've had gun control activists blowing up my Facebook news feed since Charleston, and I don't even subscribe to political/news sites on FB!

At this point, gun owners don't seem too worried---after all, the coward in SC used a low-capacity, very ordinary looking pistol, so there's no hysteria to outlaw particular guns/ammo/magazines right now like there was in 2012, and hence no buying rush---but there are productive things to say, and unproductive things to say, and "We need new restrictions and new bans" is in the latter category, IMO.

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Hillary Rodham Clinton makes stirring plea for gun control [View all] pnwmom Jun 2015 OP

Well, I guess we should start planning for 2020 Reter Jun 2015 #1

She's not going to lose any voters by supporting gun control and by speaking out pnwmom Jun 2015 #2

Exactly right. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #3

That's what the Third Way said in 1994, 1996, 2000, and 2004, too. benEzra Jun 2015 #11

It didn't stop Obama in 2008 and 2012. Funny you skipped those elections. pnwmom Jun 2015 #18

And what new Federal gun controls do we have now because of those elections? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #25

We need a more progressive Congress for that. But leadership from the President pnwmom Jun 2015 #31

You know you (and we) could help all our causes along by electing a Democratic Congress instead of Hekate Jun 2015 #38

Obama pointedly disavowed gun control during his campaigns. Xithras Jun 2015 #63

This is 7 years later and much has happened in the interim. I think more people pnwmom Jun 2015 #66

National polling consistently disagrees with you. Xithras Jun 2015 #68

Americans are divided on the subject, but many support stronger gun control laws. pnwmom Jun 2015 #70

Gun control laws do not necessitate seizure Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #94

Obama spent a whole lot of effort in 2008 reassuring voters he would *not* go after gun owners benEzra Jun 2015 #82

Good for her. DCBob Jun 2015 #4

Look out! Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #5

It was powerful gwheezie Jun 2015 #6

I support Sanders, but I give credit where credit is due Bjorn Against Jun 2015 #7

I support HRC but gwheezie Jun 2015 #8

I agree that either of them will be easy to support in the general election. nt pnwmom Jun 2015 #10

I support both rock Jun 2015 #23

Excellent--we need to back her up. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #9

Hillary supported lots of senseless gun violence in the Middle East. Beauregard Jun 2015 #12

Perhaps Bernie could learn from her and O'Malley on the issue of gun control. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #13

Perhaps Hillary could learn something from them about US foreign intervention. Beauregard Jun 2015 #14

Because they have so much experience in foreign policy, right? leftofcool Jun 2015 #15

Hillary was never allowed into Obama's foreign policy circle. Beauregard Jun 2015 #16

Hillary has apologized for her mistake in voting for the IWR. pnwmom Jun 2015 #17

If one considers the Secretary of State outside Obama's foreign policy circle The Second Stone Jun 2015 #20

Obama relied on the NSC, and Hillary was not included in their inner deliberations. Beauregard Jun 2015 #27

Refer to posts 7, 8, 10, & 23 Z_California Jun 2015 #32

I meant to suggest that you were possibly a Republican paid shill The Second Stone Jun 2015 #44

That's the kind of personal attack that people use when they can't defend their position. Beauregard Jun 2015 #87

Nope, she was not in the room for crucial decisions. Divernan Jun 2015 #45

The Secretary of State is a statutory member of the NSC, so Hillary was very much a part of their 24601 Jun 2015 #84

Read the article. Beauregard Jun 2015 #85

I read it and judged it pure BS. The writer showed no knowledge of the IPC - DC - PC process and 24601 Jun 2015 #89

:) Rossi Jun 2015 #90

Your word, not mine. n/t 24601 Jun 2015 #95

Sanders has voted for every single appropriations bill okasha Jun 2015 #49

He voted against the Iraq War. Beauregard Jun 2015 #86

Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #19

Awakening Plucketeer Jun 2015 #21

I concur, 100% heaven05 Jun 2015 #39

I would expect 2017 to be a record setting year madville Jun 2015 #22

Go Hillary!!!! n/t cosmicone Jun 2015 #24

Hillary continues to hit the issues that were most important to me. She gets it. Sancho Jun 2015 #26

Do you get it? DrBulldog Jun 2015 #42

It's clear to me (and Hillary) that a bunch of "specifics" are irrelevant!!! Sancho Jun 2015 #48

Except there are 300 Million interpretations of what "Common snese Gun Control Means" One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #28

Bingo peacebird Jun 2015 #51

Amazing how few pick up on this excruciatingly obvious point. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #81

yeah this is another non answer by a slick politician. a typical Hillary speech Doctor_J Jun 2015 #91

K&R. lunamagica Jun 2015 #29

Bernie Sanders sent an email urging donations to the Charleston AME Church I'm a Sanders supporter. bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #30

What are "common sense reforms"? former9thward Jun 2015 #33

Open Carry. So the good people can take down the bad people. nm progree Jun 2015 #41

Those convicted of violent felonies should be required to pass a 4 hour responsible gun ownership progree Jun 2015 #50

That is fine but not what Clinton said. former9thward Jun 2015 #72

I added a sarcasm thingy to #50. I agree with your #33. progree Jun 2015 #73

It 's a strong statement mainstreetonce Jun 2015 #34

I went to utube, nothing heaven05 Jun 2015 #35

I looked there, too, before I posted this. If I find a link I'll add it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #36

speech is here... riversedge Jun 2015 #55

Thanks! pnwmom Jun 2015 #56

here you go.... riversedge Jun 2015 #54

Good for her. I'm glad she's speaking out on this. Hekate Jun 2015 #37

So what were her gun-control specifics? What would she propose? Well, it was the usual . . . DrBulldog Jun 2015 #40

you seem concerned stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #47

Perhaps because she says a lot of words but actually proposes nothing... peacebird Jun 2015 #52

She wants universal background checks. What has Bernie proposed? n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #79

UBC is a given as a concept. ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #96

So what does Bernie propose? I still haven't heard an answer on that. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #98

I have no idea what Bernie proposes. ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #99

Thank you, Secretary Clinton.... paleotn Jun 2015 #43

K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #46

Woo! Vague platitudes! I'm stoked! Shamash Jun 2015 #53

Like Sanders, she understands that there are responsible gun owners pnwmom Jun 2015 #59

Please, don't say that Shamash Jun 2015 #67

Unlike Sanders, you say? TM99 Jun 2015 #69

We need some real gun control Gothmog Jun 2015 #57

How do you define "real gun control"? ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #97

this is a huge mistake by Hillary virtualobserver Jun 2015 #58

If you had bothered to listen to her speech, you would know that much of it was about pnwmom Jun 2015 #60

my point is that by focusing on gun control...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #61

She didn't "focus on gun control." She talked about gun violence but spoke at greater length on a range of issues pnwmom Jun 2015 #62

but the headlines say "gun control" virtualobserver Jun 2015 #64

That's not her fault or her mistake. She shouldn't avoid the subject of gun control pnwmom Jun 2015 #65

Unfortunately, I disagree...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #71

Talking about new gun restrictions/bans is most certainly going to grab people's attention. benEzra Jun 2015 #83

how can it be? She didn't say anything Doctor_J Jun 2015 #92

she speaks in riddles ... I give up. quadrature Jun 2015 #74

One of the common sense measures she proposes is universal background checks pnwmom Jun 2015 #76

She was so heartfelt, and obviously hurting. juajen Jun 2015 #75

She had been with Rev. Pinckney earlier in the day, at her fundraiser. pnwmom Jun 2015 #78

She will be progressive sounding until the primaries are over. Bonobo Jun 2015 #77

and for those who want all the other candidiates DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #80

"Stirring." :) Beauregard Jun 2015 #88

The devil is in the DETAILS not the Concept of Gun Control happyslug Jun 2015 #93

I watched the panel and it really was good.. Gloria Jun 2015 #100

KnR! What a lot of crap gets opined here, however. It doesn't matter what HRC says or does... Hekate Jun 2015 #101