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fingrin

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6. What the TPPA means for New Zealand ( posted in another thread)
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:03 AM
Aug 2015

Subsidized medicines

The Pharmaceutical Management Agency (PHARMAC) decides what medicines the New Zealand government buys and subsidises for use by the public. Because PHARMAC purchases in bulk and makes its decisions in the interests of New Zealanders, we pay far less for medicines than we otherwise would.

A leaked negotiating text shows what the US is demanding on behalf of its big drug companies (known as “Big Pharma”) and how the benefits New Zealanders enjoy under PHARMAC are threatened by the TPPA. Although PHARMAC itself will not be dismantled, under the leaked text PHARMAC would:

not be able to negotiate a bulk discount for medicines
have to give detailed reasons to the drug companies about every purchasing decision
give pharmaceutical companies the right to appeal PHARMAC’s decisions
publish the identities of all decision-makers around the purchasing of medicines.

If adopted, this text would strengthen Big Pharma’s leverage over PHARMAC. The drug companies’ would gain new rights and opportunities to lobby PHARMAC decision makers and challenge their credentials, demand reasons if PHARMAC rejects their ‘expert’ reports and data, and pressure its decisions by constant threats of appeal. The goal of the big pharmaceutical companies is to influence PHARMAC’s criteria and decisions in their favour at the expense of affordability for the public. If the leaked text is adopted then government would have to massively increase the health budget, reduce the availability of subsidised drugs, or increase the price paid by ordinary New Zealanders.

Affordability of medical devices
Medical devices like heart valves, replacement hip joints and lenses for cataract operations are all now being brought under PHARMAC, so the same problems will apply as with medicines.

Generic pharmaceuticals
One reason why life-saving drugs are affordable for ordinary people — in New Zealand and overseas — is the availability of “generic” alternatives to branded pharmaceuticals. Generics are identical to their branded equivalents, but cost only a fraction of the price. Their availiability helps PHARMAC keep the price it pays for medicines down.

Generics can only be sold in New Zealand where no local patent has been granted, where that patent has expired, or a licence has been issued. Another leaked negotiating text from February 2011 threatens kiwis’ ability to access generic medicines:

Patents on medications could in effect be extended, as pharmaceutical companies would be able to claim additional patents on medications where they discover an alternative use for them, or make a minor modification. This would apply even if the modification were clinically insignificant. It would effectively mean the original product would be withheld from the generic market even though its patent had expired.
The life-time of patents could be extended to take into account the time taken for a new medicine to be approved as safe.
Medsafe — the government body responsible checking whether new pharmaceuticals are safe for New Zealanders — would be forced to investigate whether the drugs they are approving have patents on them or not. This is called “patent linkage”, and it would delay the approval of generics even though drug patenting has nothing to do with drug safety.
Big pharmaceutical companies would be able to prevent generic manufacturers from using original safety testing data for longer, meaning that the registration of generic medicines is postponed.

Every delay in the availability of generic medicines means more money for big pharmacutical companies, and higher prices for kiwis.

GM Food

New Zealanders are wary about genetic modification. In 2001 The Royal Commission on Genetic Modification asked what we thought about GM, and we came back against it — we didn’t want to risk our health or our amazing natural world, we wanted to respect tangata whenua beliefs, and we didn’t trust big business to look out for our interests. Being GM-free has become part of who we are, the same as being nuclear free. It’s not just kiwis who see ourselves that way — our 100% pure, clean-green image is how we are seen by the world, and is a big advantage to our economy.

The TPPA negotiations are putting our anti-GM stance at risk. Away from the public eye, the United States and its big business lobbyists are looking to lock in a new set of rules to open our fields and our supermarket shelves to genetically modified organisms.

Labeling of genetically modified products
At the moment, any food with more than 1% GM content has to be labelled. This way, we get to choose whether or not we bring GMO into our homes. Because supermarkets know we don’t like GM, they generally don’t bother stocking GM products.

It’s no secret that the United States trade negotiators want us to get rid of our GM labeling rules. The annual US report on New Zealand’s ‘trade barriers’ confirmed that they will “continue to raise trade-related concerns with mandatory biotechnology labelling regimes”. The Biotech Industry Organization — who represent the world’s giant GMO companies like Monsanto and Cargill — have also stated that they want GM labelling restricted under the TPPA.

83% of New Zealanders are in favour of GM labelling, so let’s make sure our government doesn’t scrap it behind our backs — if they do the only winners will be the giant US agri-businesses who want to sell us their GM products.

Genetically modified crops
New Zealand law is pretty tough about introducing GM crops, and public opinion suggests that we want to keep it that way. Fortunately, all the major political parties seem to agree. However, our GMO rules are at risk — the US lead negotiator is on record stating that the US wants to use the TPP negotiations to promote agricultural biotechnology within the negotiating countries.

Food safety
GM aside, New Zealand has many other rules to make sure that plant and animal products are safe for New Zealanders and our environment — rules about how much pesticide residue can be present on our food, how food products are preserved and transported, and about testing to make sure imported products meet our standards. These rules (called “Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures” and “Technical Barriers to Trade”) are especially important to New Zealand because we need to protect our unique eco-system and our extensive agricultural and horticultural industries.

There are already international rules around how countries set their own measures. The US and its farmers lobby is pushing for all TPPA countries to adopt a more coordinated approach. Under the TPPA we risk losing the right to decide for ourself how we protect our people and the environment, instead having to follow a set of rules secretly negotiated overseas.

Worse, if we brought in new rules to restrict dangerous additives or toxic residues, investors from those countries could sue the New Zealand government for compensation in a private international tribunal. This happened in Canada last year when the giant US chemical company DowAgro Sciences sued Quebec for banning the use of a dangerous pesticide, using an agreement called NAFTA that does not go nearly as far as proposals for the TPPA. Just the threat of a long and expensive court case with a rich multinational company can be enough to get governments to back down on environmental protection measures. This isn’t right — the environment should come before corporate profits.

Tobacco

Smoking kills around 5000 New Zealanders every year. However, the number of kiwis smoking is on the decline — in large part because of tobacco control measures undertaken by the government, such as banning smoking in workplaces, increasing the cost of tobacco, and banning the retail display of cigarettes. The government has committed itself to making New Zealand essentially smokefree by 2025.

If New Zealand signs up to the TPPA, we’ll be putting our smokefree goal at risk.

This is because a leaked TPPA text shows that New Zealand’s negotiators seem willing to give more rights to big overseas companies, including the right to sue the government for making decisions which significantly hurt their investment. This process is called Investor-State Dispute Settlement and it takes place in secretive offshore arbitration tribunals, bypassing New Zealand’s courts. Anti-smoking measures taken by our government could be challenged by the tobacco companies if we sign the TPPA.

If you think this sounds far-fetched, it’s not — the Australian government is currently being sued by Philip Morris for its new plain packaging policy under an old international agreement between Australia and Hong Kong. Even though Australia’s highest court has ruled in favour of plain packaging, the government still faces international arbitration away from the eyes of the public, and could end up paying hundreds of millions of dollars to big tobacco for trying to protect the health of its citizens. Like Australia, our smokefree law could be challenged under an existing agreement, but it would be difficult and involve back door menouvering. The TPP would let big tobacco stride through the front door.

It isn’t just plain packaging laws that will face problems if the TPPA negotiations are completed. Other policies that could fall foul of the rules include:

banning the use of terms like ‘mild’, ‘smooth’, ‘fine';
controlling the use of flavours that disguise the foul taste of tobacco;
reducing the nicotine content of tobacco products; and
capping the number of tobacco retail outlets.

Many different chapters of the TPPA would impact on the smokefree policies, for example:

intellectual property laws could be strengthened in favour of big tobacco companies, making it easier for them to claim that tobacco control policies infringe their trademarks;

big tobacco’s factories, distibution chains and intellectual property rights would be ‘protected investments’ who could also sue;
advertisers, duty free stores, retailers, and other parts of the tobacco supply chain would also have special rights, even if they were operating by Internet from offshore; and
new “transparency” and “regulatory coherence” rules would give tobacco companies much more influence over government decisions on tobacco control. This would go against another agreement signed by New Zealand — the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (FCTC) — requiring the government to take steps to prevent tobacco company interfering in policy-making!

All of this goes in the opposite direction to New Zealand’s obligations under the FCTC.

Alcohol

Alcohol abuse is a big problem in New Zealand. Part of the solution is setting rules around the sale of alcohol — for example, a minimum price per unit of alcohol, lower limits on the alcohol content of RTDs, and banning advertising and sponsorship by alcohol companies.

As with tobacco, a TPPA will put the New Zealand government at risk of law suits from overseas companies for trying to reduce the damage caused by alcohol abuse. This could see the government paying millions of taxpayer dollars to overseas companies in compensation, or backing down from policies that protect New Zealanders.

The government will also face pressure to allow imports of products that meet the alcohol product standards in other TPP countries, even when they are inconsistent with our own.

That already happens: under another agreement (the CER) New Zealand is bound to recognise Australia’s regulatory standards. The government had to back down this year on its intention to cap the alcohol content of RTDs popular with underage drinkers — it could not have stopped Australian RTDs, with a higher legal alcohol limit, from being sold in NZ unless it changed the CER rules. Under the TPPA we risk the same thing, but with all 10 negotiating countries. This would have the same effect as watering down our regulations to the country with the lowest standards.

As with tobacco, the government risks being bound to increased “transparency” obligations around its decision-making process for alcohol policy. In practice, this means giving alcohol companies more say in what the government does to protect New Zealanders from alcohol abuse.

Australia doesn't believe in trade with other nations??? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #1
You've gotta try harder than that n2doc Aug 2015 #2
(Shrug) It's good enough for Obama. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #3
Yes, because Obama is quite up front about his corporate leanings. Only the GOP djean111 Aug 2015 #5
Actually you have that a little twisted ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #11
If a majority of the Democratic base favors it, then they have no idea what it really is, djean111 Aug 2015 #12
Either way, the Democratic base polls as supporting the TPP ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #15
To be clear, I base my hatred of the TPP on what I have seen leaked about it, and what djean111 Aug 2015 #48
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #49
Better than just being a lemming, following the "D" on a jersey. n/t djean111 Aug 2015 #50
And anonymous sources ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #52
Any discussion will be moot. Fast Track. djean111 Aug 2015 #53
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #54
That was my point. But they have pretty much the same objections. djean111 Aug 2015 #55
Agreements that haven't been reached. Look ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #56
You are completely discounting the leaks, and the very detailed objections djean111 Aug 2015 #57
Well ... Yeah. Why get hot and bothered about discussion points ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #58
By the time they are IN the agreement, fast track kicks in, and all we can do is watch. djean111 Aug 2015 #59
Well, if the bad stuff is in the agreement ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #60
Oh, no worries - and I mean this, honestly, in the nicest possible way - djean111 Aug 2015 #62
Thank you. 840high Aug 2015 #108
How long is it classified? Ned Flanders Aug 2015 #67
This canarnd has been raised before ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #74
Elitist. Or condescending. These are the new negative buzzwords without content. erronis Aug 2015 #70
I'm sorry you didn't have a better weekend ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #76
That's odd--my two Dem senators report 1% of calls and emails in favor eridani Aug 2015 #78
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #81
You and every other defender of TPP are doing that eridani Aug 2015 #85
Where have I "defended" TPP? ... Please don't just disappear ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #92
You're defending the supporters of TPP progressoid Aug 2015 #97
Yeah, okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #101
If you don't support it, why cite polling that Democratic voters support it? eridani Aug 2015 #98
Because .... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #103
Sorry--hard to keep track of subthreads sometimes. n/t eridani Aug 2015 #104
True ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #107
There seems to be a lot of what you describe going on 'ound ere n/t GitRDun Aug 2015 #100
??? 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #105
I completely agree with your statement nikto Aug 2015 #115
The Democratic base favors it? Not that I heard. bread_and_roses Aug 2015 #14
I was referring to a poll of Democratic and republican voters ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #16
The AFL-CIO is stupid? bread_and_roses Aug 2015 #18
Please understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #19
It's just that too many people view politics as team sport... Salviati Aug 2015 #30
Nice how YOU inject the word "stupid", and then accuse me of saying that. djean111 Aug 2015 #116
Where did I say there is no way to know what's in the TPP? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #117
Then there is no reason for the Democratic base to be FOR it, either. djean111 Aug 2015 #118
... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #119
I believe this conversation started when you said that the Democratic base was for djean111 Aug 2015 #120
No ... the conversation start with someone saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #121
If no one actually knows what is in the TPP, the poll is pointless. djean111 Aug 2015 #122
I agree; but, it does refute the initial comment about who supports the TPP ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #123
My posts concerning the support for the TPP have always been about Congress and Obama. djean111 Aug 2015 #124
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #125
Look likes the best we can do. I am for it. djean111 Aug 2015 #126
I ask because the Iran Deal played/plays out exactly like the TPP ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #127
The Iran deal will not affect the daily lives of almost everybody. I am counting all of the "trade djean111 Aug 2015 #128
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #129
They don't. However, it's heavily favored by the swooners and that's all that matters to swooners. PSPS Aug 2015 #36
I think that would be the 'corporate base' favors it. You know, the Waltons for example. jalan48 Aug 2015 #69
Corporations want it. That should be a big red flag. Environmentalists don't want it. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #72
Be that all as it may ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #79
That's like standing on the train track and saying that you will wait until after the rhett o rick Aug 2015 #82
Okay. I disagree; but, okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #83
Don't forget the Hillary supporters.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #45
Except that she won't come out against it. villager Aug 2015 #64
Actually I disagree. I haven't found anyone that provides any arguments in favor of the TPP. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #73
Some of them are for it because Liberals are against it.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #87
I see it differently. First of all they have no idea what liberal means. Some will tell you that rhett o rick Aug 2015 #89
Those are the Dems STILL running away from the 40 year old "Tax & Spend" moniker. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #95
And Corporate America. Notice that no major corporation is lobbying against this. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #68
For one thing, Australia believes cheaper generic medicine should be available before djean111 Aug 2015 #4
Thats what family members living in Austraila told me too FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #28
I was echoing the argument used by those that favor the TPP.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #46
Thank you!!!! I have seen that crap argument stated seriously, as if we were all just born djean111 Aug 2015 #47
I disagree. bvar22 Aug 2015 #66
he was right restorefreedom Aug 2015 #94
STRAWMAN. No one made that claim. Insinuating questions are logical fallacies. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #61
Standard Beltway formula. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #86
Standard Fox Noise formula. You can make any ridiculous statement you want if you rhett o rick Aug 2015 #88
What the TPPA means for New Zealand ( posted in another thread) fingrin Aug 2015 #6
Extremely helpful! snot Aug 2015 #39
Pharmacare is Canada's version of New Zealand's Pharmac. We buy generic and negotiate prices Monk06 Aug 2015 #132
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #7
This treaty is only wanted by and only helps international corporations. marble falls Aug 2015 #8
"walks away"?? DCBob Aug 2015 #9
looks to me like Drug Corp. issues is the stickie point with most countries in this trade agreement. Sunlei Aug 2015 #24
I think a compromise in the works. DCBob Aug 2015 #31
Good malokvale77 Aug 2015 #10
The U.S. would push this "trade" deal even if it were the only country left at the table. It is not GoneFishin Aug 2015 #13
^^^^*THIS!^^^^^ SoapBox Aug 2015 #25
didn't you know? Corporations already control our gov and change/write laws to suit their interests. Sunlei Aug 2015 #29
Yep, but they want their own courts as well. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #37
And laws can be changed if enough seats in the house and senate change hands. This way they GoneFishin Aug 2015 #109
Exactly. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #111
That "wait to judge" ploy is preposterously stupid, as is anybody gullible enough to fall for it. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #113
BINGO harun Aug 2015 #110
So ... China's not one of the "Big Four" ? How does that work ? eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #17
China is not in on this trade deal. Sunlei Aug 2015 #22
A Pacific trade deal w/o China ?? Very relevant, LOL ! nt eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #23
This specific "Trade treaty" has been worked on for almost 7 years. China has other trade deals. Sunlei Aug 2015 #26
Yeah, I know. But it looks like China can upset the applecart if it wants. eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #27
you're right,china could be upset and their stock market may reflect this. Sunlei Aug 2015 #34
Interesting interpretation. eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #35
The fake island China built in the middle of all those smaller countries fishing sea shows the Sunlei Aug 2015 #41
The rationale for the U.S. "pivot to Asia" embodied in TPP is to counter Chinese economic strength hedda_foil Aug 2015 #130
I think that was sort of the point of the deal. DCBob Aug 2015 #32
Supporters of the TPP claim one of the points of the deal is to weaken China. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #63
Or to find WMDs. Or help Afghan women. Or control the influx of communism. nt valerief Aug 2015 #71
Thank you Australia. jwirr Aug 2015 #20
Yes -- now shut the door. NCjack Aug 2015 #42
"Concerns around automotives, data protection of biologics, dairy and sugar" I read last year about Sunlei Aug 2015 #21
At least someone TBF Aug 2015 #33
GOOD. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #38
Great thread; K&R'd! snot Aug 2015 #40
Thank you Australia Michigan-Arizona Aug 2015 #43
Good for Australia daleo Aug 2015 #44
Obviously, Australians are far smarter than Americans. lark Aug 2015 #51
Until we the people are given the opportunity to saidsimplesimon Aug 2015 #65
I'm so torn up over this... Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #75
I'm torn about when I can officially start celebrating TPP's demise! villager Aug 2015 #77
I'd say it's too soon for that Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #80
Well, there will be that whole "saving the planet" thing villager Aug 2015 #84
As I see it, the computer/robot singularity will occur before we destroy the planet. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #90
We'll be "deleted?" villager Aug 2015 #91
I think our dependence will continue to grow. But they reach the point of rhett o rick Aug 2015 #93
Right. Their "singularity gathering" won't even involve us. villager Aug 2015 #99
I won't be remotely sad.... blackspade Aug 2015 #96
Let's hope this is just the beginning.. raindaddy Aug 2015 #106
Good! raindaddy Aug 2015 #102
Whatever jackass wrote that should be fired they didnt walk away from shit. cstanleytech Aug 2015 #112
This is potentially HUGE, and wonderful! nikto Aug 2015 #114
I'm hoping that some of the other Island/Countries will follow Australia, bvar22 Aug 2015 #131
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