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In reply to the discussion: North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban: Obama Says He's 'Disappointed' [View all]Behind the Aegis
(54,139 posts)16. And maybe you will stop with the patronizing crap and actual read what I wrote.
You do know what a "strawman" is? If not, here...
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man" , and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]
1.Person A has position X.
2.Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 1.Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
2.Quoting an opponent's words out of context i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2]
3.Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
4.Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5.Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
3.Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
1.Person A has position X.
2.Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 1.Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
2.Quoting an opponent's words out of context i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2]
3.Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
4.Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5.Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
3.Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban: Obama Says He's 'Disappointed' [View all]
ProfessionalLeftist
May 2012
OP
If you are "disappointed", Mr. President, then get off the fence and demonstrate some leadership!
markpkessinger
May 2012
#1
He is. After all, the convention, and all those dollars, go to NC. That will teach them!
24601
May 2012
#43
If asking for someone to stand up for civil rights is asking for a "perfectionist," then yes, I am
Behind the Aegis
May 2012
#10
So JFK facing the Civil Rights Movement is not comparable w/Obama vs. gay rights?
alp227
May 2012
#13
Why? I know NC Am. 1 is distressing for you, but maybe re-read my thoughts after calming down,
alp227
May 2012
#15
And maybe you will stop with the patronizing crap and actual read what I wrote.
Behind the Aegis
May 2012
#16
OK, now I've reconsidered, if Obama can attack Republicans on everything from taxes to Medicare,
alp227
May 2012
#17
Because there are alot of people who dont support it and challenging it now
cstanleytech
May 2012
#22
Maybe President Obama will announce his unequivocal support for gay marriage
totodeinhere
May 2012
#6
Well, you win the prize for most offensive post of the day - that's for sure.
enlightenment
May 2012
#29