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In reply to the discussion: Customer shoots bank robber in Warren [View all]maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)220. Armed with Reason didn't review the methodology of the "CDC" Survey
It takes apart Kleck's estimates, specifically, speaking of purported "research". It does so convincingly, at least to me. Partisan or not.
Finally, I'm not worried about making "broad and conclusory" statements. I'm not a researcher, a politician, or a lawyer. I'm a private citizen who's BS Detector goes off at a number like "up to 2.5 million per year" (>8,000 DGUs/day).
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With proper gun/weapon control in this country, the bank robber would be much less likely to be
-none
Sep 2015
#208
I would love to hear your -practical- plan to remove the current 300 legal million firearms
branford
Sep 2015
#212
+1. Not long ago a cowboy shot a store clerk trying to save his own ass during a robbery that
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#37
You seemed to have missed the part where the ARMED robber pointed his gun at the customer.
GGJohn
Sep 2015
#38
Do you even realize how much of a fool you're making yourself look like with the stupid laughy thing
HERVEPA
Sep 2015
#227
Do you even realize how much of a fool you're making yourself look like by that post?
GGJohn
Sep 2015
#229
You strap a gun on to go to Chuck E Cheese, thinking you probably won't shoot an innocent kid,
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#106
"Probably?" You're awfully cavalier about risking the lives of innocent people,
branford
Sep 2015
#41
Yeah I have know gun fanciers who consider it a defensive use to flash their gun at a Black
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#107
I emailed the Armed With Reason folks on this study. Here is their response:
maxsolomon
Sep 2015
#192
I found it a thorough analysis of the flaws in the methodology of the cited studies
maxsolomon
Sep 2015
#205
If something doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, that doesn't mean it's BS.
branford
Sep 2015
#253
so a "customer" shoots robber in arms and leg while cops shoot to execute. interesting nt
msongs
Sep 2015
#3
He missed. He was trying to shoot center mass and pee at the same time. That is really hard on your
jtuck004
Sep 2015
#6
"It's only money. Let them take it." What do you suggest when money does not suffice?
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#14
I, for one, see no reason to give armed bank robbers the benefit of any doubt.
branford
Sep 2015
#42
I think the lesser gamble is to give them exactly what they want and move them along. Pulling a gun
Ed Suspicious
Sep 2015
#43
Again, you can assess your own personal risk and response if confronted by such a scenario.
branford
Sep 2015
#44
Old quick draw customer got him or customer drew attention to himself by pulling out his gun?
Ed Suspicious
Sep 2015
#22
A shootout involves at least two shooters, and you also know the bank was "FILLED" with customers?
snooper2
Sep 2015
#70
Maybe I would have handled it differently if I was a customer at that moment
bluestateguy
Sep 2015
#34
Armed customers breaking up bank robberies is a bad, bad idea and an NRA wet dream.
marble falls
Sep 2015
#49
In one of the next robberies all the customers will be shot by the robbers, thanks NRA!
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
Sep 2015
#56
Good point. My belief is that the more fools that carry guns, the more robbers will
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#77
Or perhaps the more robbers will decide armed daylight robberies in crowded banks
hughee99
Sep 2015
#80
Agreed "gunz in people's pants aren't going to stop crime." You have to take it out once in a while.
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#258
Banks train employees to just give the money up and let the robber get out.
leftyladyfrommo
Sep 2015
#71
You point a gun at anyone there is a pretty good chance you are gonna get shot!
pocoloco
Sep 2015
#76
Exactly. But there are too many cowboys looking for a chance to play policeman or be a hero.
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#78
This is what I would expect in reasonable society. The teller gives the money quickly and moves the
Ed Suspicious
Sep 2015
#207
I hear you. zimmerman was well trained too, especially on what lies to tell police.
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#97
If someone is carrying a legal concealed firearm, you're not supposed to know they're armed.
branford
Sep 2015
#102
Missed the part, AGAIN, where the ARMED robber pointed his gun at the customer?
GGJohn
Sep 2015
#143
I'll admit someone with one gun in the situation you describe has more of a reason to tote than
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#118
Well, most of us would not view banking as cozying up to guns. Not getting your point. n/t
Yo_Mama
Sep 2015
#133
Not mad, I don't get mad. Just staying away from ignorants like you seems to do the trick.
oneshooter
Sep 2015
#154
Not me, you missed the joke. But you've never been perceptive. Another reason for you
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#167
There are many millions of people lawfully carrying firearms for self defense,
branford
Sep 2015
#94
So that makes it OK for gun toting cowboys to blast away to protect their own rear?
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#173
If someone points a firearm at me, you're damned right I'm going to defend myself,
GGJohn
Sep 2015
#176
This is good example of self-defense, only one of hundreds of thousands each year.
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#110
Actually, there are estimates in the millions. I'm using the CDC's conservative estimate...
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#115
A little specious since this "project" is supported by CDC and Nat'l Research Council,
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#203
Fleeing while pointing a gun at (from your stand point) the wrong person...
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#181
In Texas if you successfully defend yourself using a firearm, knife, car, or whatever means
oneshooter
Sep 2015
#244