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Charlie Brown

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28. you're selectively singling out Wilson
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
Nov 2015

You decry the "great man" image of wilson, but then cite Debbs, another "great man" who was never put to the test of leadership like Wilson. He probably had antiquated views on a host of issues, too (do you think he supported LGBT equality?)

I could follow suit on your discourse and ask what your views are of John F. Kennedy, another white president who didn't quite live up to expectations on race issues, and left the large battles to be fought by Johnson. JFK had questionable attitudes about women. He also helped author boundary lines and redrew the maps in questionable ways, like in Berlin & Vietnam; the only difference is that he did it to supposedly fight communism. Should we enact this level of scrutiny to his legacy, as well, or Lincoln (didn't support paying AA troops as much as whites) or Carter (a dixiecrat). Wilson's legacy rests on what he accomplished based on where the status quo was at the time & the ideas he had that were enacted by FDR & others. Surely it's better to view the full spectrum of advances he made, via his economic policies & financial reforms, and not merely his reaction to a motion picture that at the time everyone was going to see (it was the first "blockbuster;" unlikely he would have panned it)

We only know about people like Debbs b/c of their legacies as activists and organizers. We don't know what the hay kind of President he would have been. To rest everything about Wilson's record as President on his reaction to Birth of a Nation is just as weak as summing of Bill Clinton b/c of doma.

Until we have Truth and Reconciliation zentrum Nov 2015 #1
He was kinda sexist, too. MADem Nov 2015 #2
Let's not forget his unceclared quagmire into Mexico. Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #4
This guy won a Nobel Peace Prize... Herman4747 Nov 2015 #3
I think, through the long lens of history, it's important to recognize the whole guy. MADem Nov 2015 #5
It isn't really about the good outweighing the bad starroute Nov 2015 #7
But if we're talking about the bad, there's also the Espionage Act of 1917 starroute Nov 2015 #9
You should lead with something more impressive. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #14
So did Henry Kissinger philosslayer Nov 2015 #24
I would think that there's some here and now racism which could probably be addressed first. bigworld Nov 2015 #6
He used troops on strikers comes to mind too Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #8
Wilson was probably no more racist than most people from his demographic background in his time Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #10
"Most people." JackRiddler Nov 2015 #15
and they are? Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #20
No one's questioning Wilson's historical importance. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #27
you're selectively singling out Wilson Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #28
All history should be subjected to a high level of scrutiny JackRiddler Nov 2015 #29
To be a leader worthy of respect he should be better than "most people" DBoon Nov 2015 #21
This is stupid MFrohike Nov 2015 #11
Thank-You! Elmergantry Nov 2015 #22
At least his racism stopped affecting the people when he left office Reter Nov 2015 #12
30 people? iandhr Nov 2015 #13
I support the students but only if the name is changed to the "Ben Carson Institute for Hoppy Nov 2015 #16
"In August, a professor at Yale University cited the racial overtones of the word in asking students MisterP Nov 2015 #17
Schools should also stop giving out Masters degrees. Hoppy Nov 2015 #18
It's not my call Recursion Nov 2015 #19
And in 40 years William Jefferson Clinton will be expunged for his Homophobia One_Life_To_Give Nov 2015 #23
You are abusing the concept of presentism. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #30
We should demolish the Jefferson Memorial then. And remove FDR, Jefferson, and Washington geek tragedy Nov 2015 #25
reducto ad absurdum JackRiddler Nov 2015 #31
Should the state of Washington change its name? Herman4747 Nov 2015 #26
State of Pacifica is a great name. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #32
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