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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
29. All history should be subjected to a high level of scrutiny
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:05 PM
Nov 2015

President worship in general is in the spirit of monarchy, not democracy. How particular individuals may live up to "the test of leadership" is, in general, a mystifying concern. It doesn't usually interest me. What actually happened is much more interesting.

Events should be commemorated in all their complexity. I'm arguing for a different historical culture. Princeton should host a Woodrow Wilson museum that tells all these stories. But building names suggest honor without caveats. (Building names also don't actually recall history, often people have no idea who a given personage is.)

Anyway, I suggested Debs (spell his name right, for chrissakes) just to anticipate a possible "what's your alternative?" move. My real alternative would be history education, museums, sponsored research, cultivating a nuanced view with room for debate and evolution. No need to put this guy's name on a building.

I agree that some objections are anachronistic, so your LGBT example with regard to Debs (or Wilson, or anyone else from the time) would a red herring. However, the accusation that Wilson was a committed and published scientific racist and actually made things worse for black people is not anachronistic. Alternative ideas were in circulation at the time, and he was regressive for his time. He doesn't get that excuse.

Until we have Truth and Reconciliation zentrum Nov 2015 #1
He was kinda sexist, too. MADem Nov 2015 #2
Let's not forget his unceclared quagmire into Mexico. Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #4
This guy won a Nobel Peace Prize... Herman4747 Nov 2015 #3
I think, through the long lens of history, it's important to recognize the whole guy. MADem Nov 2015 #5
It isn't really about the good outweighing the bad starroute Nov 2015 #7
But if we're talking about the bad, there's also the Espionage Act of 1917 starroute Nov 2015 #9
You should lead with something more impressive. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #14
So did Henry Kissinger philosslayer Nov 2015 #24
I would think that there's some here and now racism which could probably be addressed first. bigworld Nov 2015 #6
He used troops on strikers comes to mind too Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #8
Wilson was probably no more racist than most people from his demographic background in his time Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #10
"Most people." JackRiddler Nov 2015 #15
and they are? Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #20
No one's questioning Wilson's historical importance. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #27
you're selectively singling out Wilson Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #28
All history should be subjected to a high level of scrutiny JackRiddler Nov 2015 #29
To be a leader worthy of respect he should be better than "most people" DBoon Nov 2015 #21
This is stupid MFrohike Nov 2015 #11
Thank-You! Elmergantry Nov 2015 #22
At least his racism stopped affecting the people when he left office Reter Nov 2015 #12
30 people? iandhr Nov 2015 #13
I support the students but only if the name is changed to the "Ben Carson Institute for Hoppy Nov 2015 #16
"In August, a professor at Yale University cited the racial overtones of the word in asking students MisterP Nov 2015 #17
Schools should also stop giving out Masters degrees. Hoppy Nov 2015 #18
It's not my call Recursion Nov 2015 #19
And in 40 years William Jefferson Clinton will be expunged for his Homophobia One_Life_To_Give Nov 2015 #23
You are abusing the concept of presentism. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #30
We should demolish the Jefferson Memorial then. And remove FDR, Jefferson, and Washington geek tragedy Nov 2015 #25
reducto ad absurdum JackRiddler Nov 2015 #31
Should the state of Washington change its name? Herman4747 Nov 2015 #26
State of Pacifica is a great name. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #32
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