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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
30. You are abusing the concept of presentism.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

Excuse me, many of us here remember 1995 pretty damn well and there would have been nothing whatsoever anachronistic in expecting Clinton to behave like a responsible human being toward his fellow human beings who happened to be gay. The idea of equal rights was entirely current at the time and very easy for a smart guy like him to understand. In fact, pre-election Clinton sang a different tune to the gay community than the presidential version. The difference was not the context of his time but the character of the vote-counting politician, who was out for himself.

Same deal with Wilson, of course, who as president aggressively made the race situation worse than it was before his election, and in the process promoted fairly new for the time convictions of scientific racism. The decorated political scientist also endorsed a movie about how great the KKK was. Oh my, he didn't participate in a lynching, so that makes him just an average guy.

Plenty of people at the time were less partisan on behalf of the racist cause than Wilson. What he did in office was his choice.

Until we have Truth and Reconciliation zentrum Nov 2015 #1
He was kinda sexist, too. MADem Nov 2015 #2
Let's not forget his unceclared quagmire into Mexico. Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #4
This guy won a Nobel Peace Prize... Herman4747 Nov 2015 #3
I think, through the long lens of history, it's important to recognize the whole guy. MADem Nov 2015 #5
It isn't really about the good outweighing the bad starroute Nov 2015 #7
But if we're talking about the bad, there's also the Espionage Act of 1917 starroute Nov 2015 #9
You should lead with something more impressive. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #14
So did Henry Kissinger philosslayer Nov 2015 #24
I would think that there's some here and now racism which could probably be addressed first. bigworld Nov 2015 #6
He used troops on strikers comes to mind too Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #8
Wilson was probably no more racist than most people from his demographic background in his time Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #10
"Most people." JackRiddler Nov 2015 #15
and they are? Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #20
No one's questioning Wilson's historical importance. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #27
you're selectively singling out Wilson Charlie Brown Nov 2015 #28
All history should be subjected to a high level of scrutiny JackRiddler Nov 2015 #29
To be a leader worthy of respect he should be better than "most people" DBoon Nov 2015 #21
This is stupid MFrohike Nov 2015 #11
Thank-You! Elmergantry Nov 2015 #22
At least his racism stopped affecting the people when he left office Reter Nov 2015 #12
30 people? iandhr Nov 2015 #13
I support the students but only if the name is changed to the "Ben Carson Institute for Hoppy Nov 2015 #16
"In August, a professor at Yale University cited the racial overtones of the word in asking students MisterP Nov 2015 #17
Schools should also stop giving out Masters degrees. Hoppy Nov 2015 #18
It's not my call Recursion Nov 2015 #19
And in 40 years William Jefferson Clinton will be expunged for his Homophobia One_Life_To_Give Nov 2015 #23
You are abusing the concept of presentism. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #30
We should demolish the Jefferson Memorial then. And remove FDR, Jefferson, and Washington geek tragedy Nov 2015 #25
reducto ad absurdum JackRiddler Nov 2015 #31
Should the state of Washington change its name? Herman4747 Nov 2015 #26
State of Pacifica is a great name. JackRiddler Nov 2015 #32
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