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19. Victoria Nuland channels Cheney.

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:57 PM

Jun 2016

She married PNAC Money.

Our woman in Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan

Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan

Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.

Tom Daschle makes me believe he saw the light, especially after being "left behind on 9-11."

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U.S. State Department Officials Call for Strikes Against Syria’s Assad [View all] arendt Jun 2016 OP

Can't wait to see what HRC says about this. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #1

She's made herself clear enough JackRiddler Jun 2016 #70

obama is sane on this DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #2

This story indicates that our SOS is full of neolibs and neocons newthinking Jun 2016 #16

State department, not Secretary of State karynnj Jun 2016 #91

These are her people speaking. We'll be at war with Iran and possibly Russia within a year. leveymg Jun 2016 #3

Do you know them by name, or just assumming based on the story? nt arendt Jun 2016 #4

Yes. There are many neocons ensconced permanently at State. leveymg Jun 2016 #9

You're aware that HRC brought in Nuland (a Neocon) and newthinking Jun 2016 #12

This Why I Can't Vote for Her McKim Jun 2016 #48

Ditto. I will not live with the guilt! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #55

Victoria Nuland channels Cheney. Octafish Jun 2016 #19

Clinton's always said that the Syrian rebels need more guns, more money MisterP Jun 2016 #29

Ms. Powers got a nice award. Octafish Jun 2016 #18

How perfectly appropriate. I'm sure she's earned it. nt leveymg Jun 2016 #20

Big Time. Octafish Jun 2016 #37

And State Dept Humanitarian Affairs shouldn't be confused with Medicines sans Frontiers. leveymg Jun 2016 #46

Bull's Eye on Damascus Octafish Jun 2016 #51

You've seen this Clinton-era DOS email release? "The best way to help Israel . . . leveymg Jun 2016 #84

Nauseating. amandabeech Jun 2016 #107

No doubt. 840high Jun 2016 #34

Putin is looking for a war, but we do not need to start it for him. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #5

We are calling Al Quida "our rebels" arendt Jun 2016 #6

I never said they were good guys. They are rebels, who want a government that acts in their Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #10

They are fundamentalist lunatics who aren't even from there pottedplant Jun 2016 #25

A mass murderer who bombs women and children and used chemical warfare Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #33

In a civil war that other countries pottedplant Jun 2016 #42

The fact that other dictators have committed mass murder of their own peole Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #47

Oh Please, This War is Not about those Familiies! McKim Jun 2016 #49

So oil pipeline bad, bombs and poison gas on Assad's own civilians good? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #52

The poison gas was debunked long ago. Let's just throw in "Weapons of Mass Destruction" too. newthinking Jun 2016 #58

Bull shit. Assad is mass murderer, slaughtering his own people, and Putin is a gggling Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #62

Just ignore Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and all the Wahabi-ist terrorists arendt Jun 2016 #64

Assad started by murdering peaceful protesters that wanted more say in the government. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #66

You think Assad's government is "legitimate"? ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #115

Who do you think the majority of Syrians support? pottedplant Jun 2016 #117

Pick up a history book pottedplant Jun 2016 #65

How about sticking the subject and discuss war criminal in Syria. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #67

he has every right to defend his country. pottedplant Jun 2016 #68

He does not have every right to murder his citizens. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #69

Its a CIVIL war and a PROXY war arendt Jun 2016 #73

Abe Lincoln did not bomb civilians Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #77

you don't get to hijack my thread arendt Jun 2016 #86

Your complete refusal to address Assad's war crimes and murders Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #88

Keep banging that shoe on the table. I'm sure someone will listen. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #89

You are basically pushing a pro-war neocon line ... mallard Jun 2016 #122

The poison gas was not debunked no matter what karynnj Jun 2016 #92

Who to believe, Pulitzer Prize winner, or you? Duh. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #104

The Red Line and The Rat Line newthinking Jun 2016 #119

Al Nusra are NOT our guys - they are explicitly not included in the cessation of hostilities karynnj Jun 2016 #14

They are all from the branch of Wahabism which is why they have mixed together newthinking Jun 2016 #15

You ignore that Assad is responsible for the highest numbers of deaths karynnj Jun 2016 #17

Overall, it's still roughly 50/50. No reason to tip the balance leveymg Jun 2016 #21

There are more than 2 factions - unless you lump the rebels considered in the agreement, ISIS and karynnj Jun 2016 #23

ISIS is just al Nusra that mutated out of AQI. It will metastasize again into leveymg Jun 2016 #26

Wrong. Assad and Putin have had success against isis pottedplant Jun 2016 #30

Agree 100%. 840high Jun 2016 #35

Wow, how much power do the Neocons have? Holy moley newthinking Jun 2016 #7

Apparently state department employees can circulate policy proposals and leak them to the press Monk06 Jun 2016 #38

There is a channel set up for dissent on policy karynnj Jun 2016 #93

I am inclined the other way I think Hilary would have these peoples heads on a platter for trying Monk06 Jun 2016 #113

I would suggest that they would not be dissenting from her position karynnj Jun 2016 #114

They are insane. Just as they believe we can win a Nuclear war. newthinking Jun 2016 #8

I'm all for it. Let's start WWIII and get it over with. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #11

War's what the economy craves. Octafish Jun 2016 #22

George Mason University is a largely commuter school in Northern Virginia located amandabeech Jun 2016 #109

Thank you! Octafish Jun 2016 #112

Regime change makes no sense pottedplant Jun 2016 #13

"It serves the usual suspects to have a destabilized oppressed region." ronnie624 Jun 2016 #24

Thanks for the Bigger Picture McKim Jun 2016 #50

No. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever christx30 Jun 2016 #27

Duck & cover. eom WheelWalker Jun 2016 #28

Where's Kerry in all of this? WhiteTara Jun 2016 #31

Mr Kirby said US Secretary of State John Kerry "values and respects" the device, GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #32

This makes me sick. We 840high Jun 2016 #36

Assuming this is not WSJ being inventive: Fire them all now. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #39

They are protected by civil service. former9thward Jun 2016 #87

That is a bullshit RW talking point seabeckind Jun 2016 #94

BS. former9thward Jun 2016 #95

And you are more informed than someone who wrote the HR memos? seabeckind Jun 2016 #97

OK Bernie, I'll get right on it. former9thward Jun 2016 #98

I didn't figure you had anything. seabeckind Jun 2016 #100

Bernie, who are you choosing for your VP? former9thward Jun 2016 #101

Keep digging. Your chewing gum is in that chicken coop somewhere. seabeckind Jun 2016 #102

You can remove the political patronage SES who serve at the pleasure of the President. 24601 Jun 2016 #123

Thanks for that pile of irrelevant information seabeckind Jun 2016 #124

If you are going to characterize what I said, please have the integrity to be truthful in the future 24601 Jun 2016 #125

I didn't say it was wrong. seabeckind Jun 2016 #126

Reporter to State Dept: Some Officials Fear Authors of Critical Syria Memo Are Risking Careers bemildred Jun 2016 #106

For what, having a different opinion from you? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #118

They are trying to sandbag him in public while he is down dealing with the Orlando tragedy. bemildred Jun 2016 #120

Agreed, but I'm not sure that's a firing offense anigbrowl Jun 2016 #121

What is the End Game? One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #40

The end game Cayenne Jun 2016 #80

Neither Putin nor any subsequent Russian leader will give up that port at Tarsus. amandabeech Jun 2016 #110

Which country would benefit from this. Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #41

Reddit comments on this: bemildred Jun 2016 #43

Classic! They can't even split their hypocrisy and lies across two sentences now! Nihil Jun 2016 #44

As opposed to Russia, which is in the full-blown Fascist stage? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #45

Yeah, those mid and high level guys are all career guys. Most likely started under Bush II tonyt53 Jun 2016 #53

We are lucky the President does not want war to be his legacy! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #54

SHTF in weeks, not next year Cayenne Jun 2016 #81

I hope not Cayenne! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #116

Where are all those Hillary supporters at? nolabels Jun 2016 #56

They're playing inside a bubble and pretend this isn't happening and HRC's role in creating leveymg Jun 2016 #57

Didn't you hear? Hillary just criticized the Saudis. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #60

The future of this world is in serious jeopardy. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #59

Assad is a monster Marrah_G Jun 2016 #61

You don't even have the lying propaganda line straight arendt Jun 2016 #63

Syria is a massive clusterfuck Marrah_G Jun 2016 #71

It is truly hard. Some of that is down to the complexity of the situation arendt Jun 2016 #75

here is a link to blow everyone's mind. Marrah_G Jun 2016 #78

thanks for that. really, really sad waste. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #85

Just for the record: Nowhere in my post did I accuse you of calling for more war. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #76

Okay, thank you for clarifying that. Marrah_G Jun 2016 #79

Hillary Clinton will try to take out Assad. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #72

And she will right into a bunch of S-400 missile systems... arendt Jun 2016 #74

Events are moving much faster Cayenne Jun 2016 #82

Career State folks, or are the political appointees???? Doubtful it is the career folks. 4139 Jun 2016 #83

I think they are the career professionals karynnj Jun 2016 #99

Hopefully.... Xolodno Jun 2016 #90

Ready to fight to the last drop of somebody else's blood. seabeckind Jun 2016 #103

I have always held the position seabeckind Jun 2016 #96

Obama, despite dissent on Syria, not shifting toward strikes on Assad bemildred Jun 2016 #105

US in talks with Russia after it bombed US-backed rebels in Syria bemildred Jun 2016 #108

Ain't it Funny? Night Watchman Jun 2016 #111