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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
81. Nonsense on all counts.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:28 PM
Jun 2012

The Greek system is a proportional voting system, except that the first party gets 50 extra seats, even if it is only ahead by a single vote. (Stable Germany has a straight-up proportional voting system.) It is a complete falsehood to say that the Greek system "is designed to promote minor political parties." There is a threshold of 3 percent for representation in the parliament.

Thanks to the bonus, a 1.5 percent advantage for ND, the party of odious debt, translated into a majority with PASOK, the party of collaboration. The majority who voted against these parties and the Troika memo are not in the government.

From the perspective of the US, where we elect one front man of a vast empire and national security state, large parts of which are secret, I can see why the concept of even that much democracy is a foreign one. Try harder.

Note that the power of lies (which you are pushing, whether intentionally or not) is such that correcting them takes two paragraphs for each of your false sentences!

In your second paragraph, you push the Wall Street version of what happened with the debt. You leave out the buying of the Greek politicians by German corporations who got fat contracts, and the lying by the Greek politicians about the extent of the debt (in which they cooked the books together with Goldman Sachs and JPM Chase).

Propaganda for the banksters, contempt for the people. That's your formula. Shame on you.

Iceland prosecuted banksters and negated fraudulent mortgage debt ..... marmar Jun 2012 #1
We need to do more of that too Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #2
I agree. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #5
They only prosecuted domestic bankers. They ran to international banksters for loans. hack89 Jun 2012 #3
They also nationalized the failed banks newthinking Jun 2012 #59
Absolutely - it signals that Iceland is serious. Psephos Jun 2012 #4
Along with letting the bad banks die and progressive "two-way" Democracy newthinking Jun 2012 #66
A lot of details. The former PM was tsuki Jun 2012 #10
Hmmm. Curious that. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2012 #15
But they still had to implement austerity and borrow billions. hack89 Jun 2012 #17
True. Igel Jun 2012 #54
+1000 n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #19
Thank you. nt woo me with science Jun 2012 #87
I think someone has to overhaul the world's financial systems Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #6
I am not sure there is a "someone" with those kinds of powers. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #7
I wish! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #8
each individual sovereign nation-state needs to tailor-make a ground-up democratic response stockholmer Jun 2012 #23
Great points stockholmer suffragette Jun 2012 #57
Also repaid $892 million from nordic countries rootProbiscus Jun 2012 #9
The power of selective perception. Now that's spin! JackRiddler Jun 2012 #11
They did not default on sovereign debt hack89 Jun 2012 #18
The primary feature was throwing out and replacing the government newthinking Jun 2012 #61
I don't think it will work for Greece. hack89 Jun 2012 #77
Greece thanks you for your concern and fear-mongering. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #79
The Greek system, like many European systems, is designed to promote minor political parties hack89 Jun 2012 #80
Nonsense on all counts. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #81
I don't care how the Greeks solve their problems - it has no impact on me. hack89 Jun 2012 #82
That's why you post anti-Greek propaganda weekly, sometimes daily. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #86
This is a disussion board, not an echo chamber hack89 Jun 2012 #88
This is a discussion board, not a dumping ground. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #89
Unfortunately you have to put up with disagreement here. hack89 Jun 2012 #90
Unfortunately you have to put up with others' opinions of... JackRiddler Jun 2012 #91
If you are unwilling to assign at least partial blame to the Greeks hack89 Jun 2012 #93
Strawman and false definition. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #94
No - I blame the Greek politicians hack89 Jun 2012 #95
I would love to have 7 independent political parties seated in Congress. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #83
They let their banking industry die. And imagine, it did not sink the rest of their population newthinking Jun 2012 #60
Iceland wasn't within the Eurozone... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #12
So what do you think of their desire to join the Euro? hack89 Jun 2012 #20
BIG Mistake! newthinking Jun 2012 #62
I think the mistake was Europe's shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #78
Oh my, your OP comment is distressingly bad. DUer replies are good. Festivito Jun 2012 #13
So Greece and ilk should borrow billions and implement austerity? hack89 Jun 2012 #16
only if they can also prosecute their banksters and devalue their currency... magical thyme Jun 2012 #22
So Greece's problems are purely a domestic banking crisis like Iceland? hack89 Jun 2012 #24
I never said or implied that. In fact, I said 'only if they can jail the banksters' magical thyme Jun 2012 #27
My agenda is simple hack89 Jun 2012 #31
Hiding banker prosecution by repeating austerity seems to be your simple agenda. Festivito Jun 2012 #42
Do you think Iceland is a good model for Greece? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #48
The Greeks can decorate Athens with the heads of bankers hack89 Jun 2012 #53
"They couldn't afford it then" newthinking Jun 2012 #69
The Greek government hide massive debt so they could borrow more. hack89 Jun 2012 #74
+1, Exactly. Hack is purposely propagating a siimple meme that does not accurately newthinking Jun 2012 #68
+1 Thanks!! You get it. newthinking Jun 2012 #67
They are taking advantage of it and paying it back quickly. Big difference newthinking Jun 2012 #63
I do not support austerity for Greece - even though they will have it regardless of what they do hack89 Jun 2012 #76
Iceland and Greece are different animals but clearly there are similarities. DCBob Jun 2012 #14
My point is that people don't understand what Iceland actually did to solve their mess. hack89 Jun 2012 #21
Iceland did not do what has now been termed 'ponzi-austerity', which is what the Eurozone is doing stockholmer Jun 2012 #25
I don't know what it will take to fix Greece hack89 Jun 2012 #26
The austerity measures in Iceland had limits muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #32
Iceland had political and social unity. hack89 Jun 2012 #34
Greece can start by cancelling many of their huge weapons purchases from Germany/France/USA, etc stockholmer Jun 2012 #43
I agree. hack89 Jun 2012 #47
They need to get their tourism business back up to speed. DCBob Jun 2012 #49
Heh heh: 'Ponzi Austerity' good one n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #29
+1, "Ponzi Austerity" - False austerity due to "Ponzi" Neo-liberal Capitalism newthinking Jun 2012 #70
Look at Michigan clang1 Jun 2012 #85
Yeah, I get your point and I agree. DCBob Jun 2012 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author clang1 Jun 2012 #44
+1 n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #46
No hack. Problem is *you* don't fully understand. It wasn't "austerity" newthinking Jun 2012 #64
They raised taxes. Cut wages and pensions. Saw a large a huge decline in individual wealth. hack89 Jun 2012 #75
Why European Austerity Fails clang1 Jun 2012 #28
Yet austerity worked in Iceland. Looks like Iceland is not a valid model for Greece. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #30
Iceland shows eurozone how to fight crisis clang1 Jun 2012 #33
"Structural reforms which enabled Iceland to reduce its fiscal deficit." hack89 Jun 2012 #35
Heh heh thanks for letting me know that clang1 Jun 2012 #37
This we can agree on newthinking Jun 2012 #72
No, Progressive Democracy and Nationalizing the banks worked newthinking Jun 2012 #65
Along with pay and pension cuts, higher taxes hack89 Jun 2012 #73
+100 , this is ponzi austerity, as the banksters are made whole, the debt for their theft is then stockholmer Jun 2012 #45
Yep. n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #51
+100 - Thanks for trying to cut through the false propaganda so many seem to believe! newthinking Jun 2012 #71
How many more payments does the country with the 320k population have to make ? may3rd Jun 2012 #36
Well maybe not. -- Thank you. Re: apples to olives n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #38
Many here point to Iceland as a model for what Greece should do. hack89 Jun 2012 #39
Yep I feel the same. n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #40
Exactly - and Spain is different, Ireland is different, the US is a whole different story as well bhikkhu Jun 2012 #50
Governments 1000 times better than our own at taking care of it's citizens n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #52
Not bad for a country whose population is about as large as Des Moines n/t DFW Jun 2012 #55
Political and social unity made it easier for Iceland. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #56
The people ARE pretty homogeneous, it's true DFW Jun 2012 #58
The biggest thing that helped them are the capital controls. roamer65 Jun 2012 #84
Amazing what happens when you dump your Trickle Down nonsense... n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #92
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