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Hortensis

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37. I agree that the illiberal left should take on the right with
Sun Feb 12, 2017, 07:39 PM
Feb 2017

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all its considerable passion. THAT would have been something. We lost last fall by only somewhat more than the flutter of a butterfly's wing. If they had been what was needed, WE would now have our people in control of both the presidency and Congress, with our judicial appointments moving into well over 100 vacant seats.

My accusation, and the reality has been, that they won't. Instead, they attack the Democratic Party--our largest, best hope for stopping the anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-equality of all men, anti-freedom of religion forces on the right. But the Buckleys can't/won't be what is needed. It's a basic dysfunction that no compelling current leader has shown up to move them beyond.

This thread is about Buckley, and I'm saying he's not only not the right stuff, he's the wrong stuff. We have critical duties to fulfill to not just ourselves but the entire planet. No time to stand around trying to avoid being shot in the foot by our own. We need people who believe in us, what we stand for, and what we intend to achieve.

Thanks. I like Buckley. Seems to have good experience elleng Feb 2017 #1
He wasn't listening. Hillary supported the $15 minimum, protecting Social Security pnwmom Feb 2017 #45
Fine to explain why you disagree with him, but it is elleng Feb 2017 #47
It is not helpful for him to disparage Hillary by saying that she had no positive message. nt pnwmom Feb 2017 #48
because trump voters wanted someone to ban muslims. hillary needed to show she would be better JI7 Feb 2017 #50
This clown has no business running for DNC chair reggaehead Feb 2017 #57
I beg to differ. Laurian Feb 2017 #2
EXACTLY!! nikibatts Feb 2017 #9
Hillary's first big speech where she hammered Trump NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #12
No there was not a media blackout. former9thward Feb 2017 #40
Not true. There were multiple times when they both were having rallies pnwmom Feb 2017 #46
Why I am not surprised you would make that post -- without evidence. former9thward Feb 2017 #53
The so-called president's rallies Percy Cholmondeley Feb 2017 #55
She sure did. Everything form Healthcare, education, jobs, the economy, civil rights, women's still_one Feb 2017 #30
Not quite. The platform was there but the message delivery was not. NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #16
I would never think of Trump as "a charismatic/engaging/powerful speaker" rurallib Feb 2017 #27
Oh for fuck's sake! leftofcool Feb 2017 #32
Charisma runs across the aisle crazycatlady Feb 2017 #33
Charismatic? WTF? hatrack Feb 2017 #39
There's also Democrats that don't have charisma either crazycatlady Feb 2017 #41
If that were true he would not have had a top-rated tv show for years. former9thward Feb 2017 #42
it wasn't top rated for years. and he lost the popular vote by millions JI7 Feb 2017 #54
He actually lost the popular vote Percy Cholmondeley Feb 2017 #56
I'm lost when it comes to applying the moonscape Feb 2017 #43
Not charisma......Demagoguery Red Mountain Feb 2017 #44
He's right marylandblue Feb 2017 #3
no he isn't. trump voters voted for him because they agreed with his bigotry JI7 Feb 2017 #10
He's right. tRump says anything and everything. Watch & Resist WHAT HE DOES. Persist. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #15
Big NO to rhis jerk and to everyone who chose not to hear Hortensis Feb 2017 #4
Precisely, the message was there but many weren't interested in it, just the "dirt" and.... George II Feb 2017 #7
* The U.S. WOULD HAVE HELD THE LINE for western liberal democracy Hortensis Feb 2017 #14
Buckley's right re insults. You're right re positive messaging. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #17
Buckley's criticizing Democrats, not Republicans, Bernardo. Hortensis Feb 2017 #18
Yes, ... as if Democrats are above reproach? As if Democrats can't be more effective and improve? Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #21
I rest my case. Hortensis Feb 2017 #22
Cartoon from 2012 Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #23
So true. But to the right, only the first illustration for both captions. Hortensis Feb 2017 #24
this obamanut2012 Feb 2017 #19
I agree with you, but I have come to see the need for a message made up of small Squinch Feb 2017 #36
I agree that the illiberal left should take on the right with Hortensis Feb 2017 #37
I agree. He's not the guy. Squinch Feb 2017 #38
You have to bully a bully. Playing nice with 45 will not work. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #5
fuck him. JI7 Feb 2017 #6
What campaign was he watching? George II Feb 2017 #8
Well Let's Just Repeat Trump's Positive Message !..and see how that works for us nt delisen Feb 2017 #11
As a woman, it is my reality when a president-to-be brags about sexually assaulting women. Solly Mack Feb 2017 #13
maybe, but we MFM008 Feb 2017 #20
Sounds to me like Buckley is alienating the base, rather than unifying it... EarthFirst Feb 2017 #25
so hes calling us ' children'?.... samnsara Feb 2017 #26
Um, no, Raymond Buckley. 6000eliot Feb 2017 #28
In politics, when someone tells you to grow up in the context of your accepting abuse... LuvLoogie Feb 2017 #29
Sorry, but this isn't the time to pull up a lounge chair and fend off negative thoughts about Trump. democrank Feb 2017 #31
Of course he is outraged, that isn't the point marylandblue Feb 2017 #35
the Trump voters wanted someone to get rid of muslims mexicans and other non whites JI7 Feb 2017 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author marylandblue Feb 2017 #34
Considering Trump EO's and intent, this is a strange comment at this time from a Democrat. JHan Feb 2017 #51
Which matters more, the message or the messenger? HoneyBadger Feb 2017 #52
Comical replies here arguing with other Dems Justice Feb 2017 #58
Mr. Buckley hasn't been keeping up with current affairs, has he? Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #59
He's a little harsh but there is truth in what he's saying LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #60
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