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In reply to the discussion: FBI investigating Jane Sanders for alleged bank fraud: report [View all]sheshe2
(84,238 posts)38. Thanks for the info, Gothmog.
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IF this is true, I'd like to see what she is accused of before I say it's not a big deal.
Adrahil
May 2017
#164
Fair enough, but what bout all the arguments how Hillary isnt responsible 4 the sins of her husband?
InAbLuEsTaTe
May 2017
#201
Misstatements on applications for loans from a federally insured institution are felonies
Gothmog
May 2017
#323
She got a couple hundred thousand, as i recall. Which was very generous coming from a college
pnwmom
May 2017
#258
Yes, the taxes would clear up many things. So why doesn't he release them? (nt)
ehrnst
May 2017
#335
If she lied on loan forms, and the info made the difference in getting the huge loan....
kstewart33
May 2017
#262
Chaffetz is in deep enough himself, he should just lay low. But it has already been established....
George II
May 2017
#167
Wrong - it's been reported by several sources, and "The Hill" is a reputable blog/news site.
George II
May 2017
#4
NPR, who also references VTDigger and Seven Days, two reputable Vermont sources. Sheesh.
George II
May 2017
#18
Vermont Public Radio:Officials: FBI Investigating Burlington College Land Deal Brokered By Jane..
Cha
May 2017
#72
I don't think "snarky" means what you think it means. And what has the FBI to do with alleged "hurt
WinkyDink
May 2017
#264
You might want to recheck that, seems like rejecting stories we don't like is
Ninsianna
May 2017
#215
Hahaha.....never thought NPR would be considered "right wing", I've always heard them referred to...
George II
May 2017
#11
Yes I did. Had I known of it I still would have missed it anyway. That woman has never said....
George II
May 2017
#249
Thank you for that link . . . wish I'd seen it yesterday & the day before . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#316
Very unlikely. But they asked for the documentation months ago, and it still hasn't been provided.
pnwmom
May 2017
#65
The Hill has updated it's article with more sources. To be specific, the post you're replying
Ninsianna
May 2017
#217
I'm sorry, but articles like this are current events reflecting on what's being said and what's
Ninsianna
May 2017
#281
7 Days Vermont..FBI Continues to Investigate Jane Sanders Burlington College Land Deal
Cha
May 2017
#54
Not "here we go", but "there they (the FBI) went", starting about a year ago.
George II
May 2017
#14
It probably happened with the lender's knowledge and approval, and possible urging
Freethinker65
May 2017
#20
No lender would have told her to report a million dollar bequest at some indefinite time
pnwmom
May 2017
#27
An investigation has been ongoing for months. And so far, no documentation of the gifts
pnwmom
May 2017
#53
I am not here to defend Ms. Sanders, nor anyone else at the university, nor the lenders
Freethinker65
May 2017
#60
I agree but it is very important to NOT mislead orientation to the FBI once the investigation starts
grantcart
May 2017
#75
When dealing in the convoluted realm of donations and pledges I doubt it will be possible to pin...
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#92
That's why the "FBI is Investigating Jane Sanders for alleged Bank Fraud..".. it's
Cha
May 2017
#109
She's not a lawyer and didn't use a legal term. She said that the documents contained
pnwmom
May 2017
#194
She isn't a lwayer & didn't use a legal term---but did she hire a lawyer & file a formal comlaiont?
Petrushka
May 2017
#275
Can't anser that question. However, the basis for the formal complaint was harm to . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#285
Can you please show the link that points to the basis of the formal complaint?
Ninsianna
May 2017
#287
I was under the impression the Toensing lawsuit WAS the formal complaint. My bad!
Petrushka
May 2017
#289
No worries, it's an honest mistake. It's what I've been saying about the spin.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#310
From what I've been able to piece together, Toensing didn't file a lawsuit. He did file a complaint
Petrushka
May 2017
#314
I think what might be confusing you here is that you're looking for a lawsuit and plaintiffs.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#320
Yes, it is confusing me here because of your use of the word "lawsuit" in a number of posts.
Petrushka
May 2017
#326
I'm not sure what's confusing about pointing out that the Republican filed a lawsuit
Ninsianna
May 2017
#332
Thanks for clearing it up about the lawsuits---they're immaterial, now, to my confusion about . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#340
Here's a link to the formal complaint itself. Sorry I didn't post it earlier.
Petrushka
May 2017
#329
Once again, this letter was posted in 2016, for an investigation that was already
Ninsianna
May 2017
#331
In your Post #330, you indicate there was a 2015 rumour that's now confirmed . . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#334
Well, the donors who unequivocally state that their pledges were misrepresented for a start.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#220
There have been other stories from local VT news sources that have been reporting on this
Ninsianna
May 2017
#280
Dang! I made a reply to your post and, for some unknown reason, it disappeared. I'll try again!
Petrushka
May 2017
#283
I understand the spin here due to the distasteful and opportunistic nature of the
Ninsianna
May 2017
#286
There seems to be more involved than Mrs. Sanders' involvement in the land deal.
Petrushka
May 2017
#288
The woman listed as giving $1 million insists that she never signed such a pledge
pnwmom
May 2017
#166
The deal took place in 2011, the financial world came apart at the seams in 2008 and....
George II
May 2017
#175
But the college has still not been able to provide documentation about the $2.6mil in donations.
pnwmom
May 2017
#89
Lol. No, they were "give us a guesstimate on how much money you can raise" loans.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#101
If the bank did that, then they were complicit. But so was anyone else who signed
pnwmom
May 2017
#107
I'm sure you, Joe Degenova, his wife Victoria Toensing and her son, the complaint, Brady Toensing...
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#113
None of those will get to the bottom of it, the FBI will get to the bottom of it. That's their job.
George II
May 2017
#176
It certainly brought the left and right together with Putin in their attacks against HRC.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#259
You say "...random right wingers who started in AFTER the DOJ started investigating the issue " But
Petrushka
May 2017
#317
Well, that's a problematic thing to ask for, since DOJ doesn't announce their investigations.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#321
Yes, I "...asked for something from 2015, when it was a rumor, but it's been confirmed now,..."
Petrushka
May 2017
#333
The information they were given was a bit less vague and deliberately false.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#226
I dont think any of that matters pnwmom or atleast not unless there is an actual indictment
cstanleytech
May 2017
#70
That's true. She's innocent till proven guilty. But the fact that there are stories about this
pnwmom
May 2017
#90
Ya assuming there is anything to get to as the FBI could decide that shes not guilty of anything
cstanleytech
May 2017
#106
I'm not sure I understand your point of view. All of this WAS known about Jane Sanders
pnwmom
May 2017
#234
Even now, there has been no confirmation that she will be charged with anything
karynnj
May 2017
#235
The FOIA requests and the Congressional inquiries were done by the State Department
karynnj
May 2017
#238
Again, there was nothing for her to "leave" with the State Dept because she had nothing stored there
pnwmom
May 2017
#239
And the allegations against Hillary were made by a different group of Republicans, with agendas.
pnwmom
May 2017
#255
She wasn't some inexperienced first-time homeowner being snookered into a no-doc loan.
pnwmom
May 2017
#150
The bank didn't complain. That right wing ratfucker Toensing complained.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#80
The bank held the first mortgage so they didn't lose money. But the Catholic archdiocese
pnwmom
May 2017
#115
Lol. "One of their parishioners" named Wendy Wilton - former republican state rep and...
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#125
Oh, right, because if only they were Democrats those parishioners would have been just fine
pnwmom
May 2017
#133
Yeah, I'm sure Victoria Toensing and Joe Degenova are looking out for the church.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#136
Well, IF anyone at Burlington College submitted false documents in trying to finance
pnwmom
May 2017
#137
The FBI is totally corrupted. I am not a big Bernie Sanders fan but I am very skeptical
StevieM
May 2017
#117
Yep. The complaint was started by Brady Toensing son of Victoria Toensing.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#128
Please stop providing facts that only serve to continue confusing the issue!
Petrushka
May 2017
#161
Yes. I have known about that since it was first reported back during the campaign
Freethinker65
May 2017
#44
Why is Jane Sanders being personally investigated instead of the College as a "Corporation"?
mackdaddy
May 2017
#190
Little known fact, a member of the Bove family ran for mayor the year Bernie won
karynnj
May 2017
#261
Right. The RW will certainly use this, especially in VT, but it's still a legitimate story. n/t
pnwmom
May 2017
#57
The VT papers have been reporting this for a year at least. But few seemed to care. nt
pnwmom
May 2017
#51
Great. Now can they get busy on investigating SERIAL CON MAN DONALD TRUMP FOR TREASON? n/t
CousinIT
May 2017
#43
I know! Our country is being run by traitors, and they're already dismantling healthcare.
C Moon
May 2017
#76
It did take 2 years to get to this point, and that's from a starting point of 5 years
Ninsianna
May 2017
#221
Has the FBI turned into a super agency? Its investigations in to the political arena has expanded..
bobGandolf
May 2017
#49
But bank fraud would be a traditional area for the FBI to investigate, right? nt
pnwmom
May 2017
#58
The FBI investigates violations of federal law, especially those involving possible fraud of $Ms
George II
May 2017
#64
If they investigated White Collar Crime, we'd see a lot more of those assholes in prison!
C Moon
May 2017
#78
FWIW: The Vermont Public Radio headline isn't inflammatory while The Hill's is . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#183
"Everything will be okay in the end. If it isn't okay, it isn't the end." --- Anonymous
Petrushka
May 2017
#318
But the story has been covered by progressive VT outlets like the VT Digger and Seven Days,
pnwmom
May 2017
#93
No, you've got the events out of order. They couldn't buy the land until they obtained
pnwmom
May 2017
#99
I love Hillary and am not a Sanders fan. But let's not forget how dishonest James Comey is.
StevieM
May 2017
#118
My point was Jane's attitude towards Hillary. Total contempt, acting like Hillary was guilty
lunamagica
May 2017
#124
I think he might have felt boxed into a corner with Guiliani's leaks in October,
pnwmom
May 2017
#268
Comey hasn't been discussing this case. A Republican politico in Vermont has been pushing
pnwmom
May 2017
#145
What is your evidence for saying Comey released information to the Rethug who's pushing this case?
pnwmom
May 2017
#148
Isn't it possible both that the Republicans in that state are pursuing this case
pnwmom
May 2017
#154
Is this so important that it has to be reposted half a dozen times in aout 24 hours?
mikehiggins
May 2017
#153
I just looked through 4 pages of GD and didn't see any other OP's about this. n/t
pnwmom
May 2017
#155
I don't see slamming of Senator Sanders here. BTW, picking one's nose isn't...
George II
May 2017
#171
Actually, and more importantly, I suspect that Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley would also
StevieM
May 2017
#223
Exactly. It's LUDICROUS for any Bernie supporter to essentially claim that Putin would have
pnwmom
May 2017
#240
Actually, it's the blind jingoism of those who bought Bernie's message, and whom he couldn't
Ninsianna
May 2017
#224
The FBI has been interviewing a number of other people connected with the loan,
pnwmom
May 2017
#257
Why do you characterize those commenting on this investigation as "Sanders' haters"?
George II
May 2017
#293
I have yet to see any *actual proof* that Mrs. Sanders is under investigation...
Trial_By_Fire
May 2017
#300
You didn't read through the article. In it is reference to VTDigger.com which has been told....
George II
May 2017
#303
No one can ever say that about anyone, since the FBI only very rarely makes that info public.
pnwmom
May 2017
#339
Then why are there even posts on Jane Sanders regarding a FBI investigation?
Trial_By_Fire
May 2017
#341
I hadn't thought of that. You ask a fair question that ought to be answered.
NurseJackie
May 2017
#292