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In reply to the discussion: FBI investigating Jane Sanders for alleged bank fraud: report [View all]
QC
(26,371 posts)253. That would be far less useful politically.
Given the players pushing the story, that's most likely an important consideration. Honestly, do we really think the Toensings and Joe DiGenova are worried about financial chicanery at a doomed liberal arts college?
You raise an important question, for sure. A college president can't do much of anything without the board's consent. You can't even hire, promote, or extend tenure to a professor without a vote of the board. The president certainly can't just unilaterally pack up the whole college and move it across town.
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IF this is true, I'd like to see what she is accused of before I say it's not a big deal.
Adrahil
May 2017
#164
Fair enough, but what bout all the arguments how Hillary isnt responsible 4 the sins of her husband?
InAbLuEsTaTe
May 2017
#201
Misstatements on applications for loans from a federally insured institution are felonies
Gothmog
May 2017
#323
She got a couple hundred thousand, as i recall. Which was very generous coming from a college
pnwmom
May 2017
#258
Yes, the taxes would clear up many things. So why doesn't he release them? (nt)
ehrnst
May 2017
#335
If she lied on loan forms, and the info made the difference in getting the huge loan....
kstewart33
May 2017
#262
Chaffetz is in deep enough himself, he should just lay low. But it has already been established....
George II
May 2017
#167
Wrong - it's been reported by several sources, and "The Hill" is a reputable blog/news site.
George II
May 2017
#4
NPR, who also references VTDigger and Seven Days, two reputable Vermont sources. Sheesh.
George II
May 2017
#18
Vermont Public Radio:Officials: FBI Investigating Burlington College Land Deal Brokered By Jane..
Cha
May 2017
#72
I don't think "snarky" means what you think it means. And what has the FBI to do with alleged "hurt
WinkyDink
May 2017
#264
You might want to recheck that, seems like rejecting stories we don't like is
Ninsianna
May 2017
#215
Hahaha.....never thought NPR would be considered "right wing", I've always heard them referred to...
George II
May 2017
#11
Yes I did. Had I known of it I still would have missed it anyway. That woman has never said....
George II
May 2017
#249
Thank you for that link . . . wish I'd seen it yesterday & the day before . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#316
Very unlikely. But they asked for the documentation months ago, and it still hasn't been provided.
pnwmom
May 2017
#65
The Hill has updated it's article with more sources. To be specific, the post you're replying
Ninsianna
May 2017
#217
I'm sorry, but articles like this are current events reflecting on what's being said and what's
Ninsianna
May 2017
#281
7 Days Vermont..FBI Continues to Investigate Jane Sanders Burlington College Land Deal
Cha
May 2017
#54
Not "here we go", but "there they (the FBI) went", starting about a year ago.
George II
May 2017
#14
It probably happened with the lender's knowledge and approval, and possible urging
Freethinker65
May 2017
#20
No lender would have told her to report a million dollar bequest at some indefinite time
pnwmom
May 2017
#27
An investigation has been ongoing for months. And so far, no documentation of the gifts
pnwmom
May 2017
#53
I am not here to defend Ms. Sanders, nor anyone else at the university, nor the lenders
Freethinker65
May 2017
#60
I agree but it is very important to NOT mislead orientation to the FBI once the investigation starts
grantcart
May 2017
#75
When dealing in the convoluted realm of donations and pledges I doubt it will be possible to pin...
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#92
That's why the "FBI is Investigating Jane Sanders for alleged Bank Fraud..".. it's
Cha
May 2017
#109
She's not a lawyer and didn't use a legal term. She said that the documents contained
pnwmom
May 2017
#194
She isn't a lwayer & didn't use a legal term---but did she hire a lawyer & file a formal comlaiont?
Petrushka
May 2017
#275
Can't anser that question. However, the basis for the formal complaint was harm to . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#285
Can you please show the link that points to the basis of the formal complaint?
Ninsianna
May 2017
#287
I was under the impression the Toensing lawsuit WAS the formal complaint. My bad!
Petrushka
May 2017
#289
No worries, it's an honest mistake. It's what I've been saying about the spin.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#310
From what I've been able to piece together, Toensing didn't file a lawsuit. He did file a complaint
Petrushka
May 2017
#314
I think what might be confusing you here is that you're looking for a lawsuit and plaintiffs.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#320
Yes, it is confusing me here because of your use of the word "lawsuit" in a number of posts.
Petrushka
May 2017
#326
I'm not sure what's confusing about pointing out that the Republican filed a lawsuit
Ninsianna
May 2017
#332
Thanks for clearing it up about the lawsuits---they're immaterial, now, to my confusion about . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#340
Here's a link to the formal complaint itself. Sorry I didn't post it earlier.
Petrushka
May 2017
#329
Once again, this letter was posted in 2016, for an investigation that was already
Ninsianna
May 2017
#331
In your Post #330, you indicate there was a 2015 rumour that's now confirmed . . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#334
Well, the donors who unequivocally state that their pledges were misrepresented for a start.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#220
There have been other stories from local VT news sources that have been reporting on this
Ninsianna
May 2017
#280
Dang! I made a reply to your post and, for some unknown reason, it disappeared. I'll try again!
Petrushka
May 2017
#283
I understand the spin here due to the distasteful and opportunistic nature of the
Ninsianna
May 2017
#286
There seems to be more involved than Mrs. Sanders' involvement in the land deal.
Petrushka
May 2017
#288
The woman listed as giving $1 million insists that she never signed such a pledge
pnwmom
May 2017
#166
The deal took place in 2011, the financial world came apart at the seams in 2008 and....
George II
May 2017
#175
But the college has still not been able to provide documentation about the $2.6mil in donations.
pnwmom
May 2017
#89
Lol. No, they were "give us a guesstimate on how much money you can raise" loans.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#101
If the bank did that, then they were complicit. But so was anyone else who signed
pnwmom
May 2017
#107
I'm sure you, Joe Degenova, his wife Victoria Toensing and her son, the complaint, Brady Toensing...
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#113
None of those will get to the bottom of it, the FBI will get to the bottom of it. That's their job.
George II
May 2017
#176
It certainly brought the left and right together with Putin in their attacks against HRC.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#259
You say "...random right wingers who started in AFTER the DOJ started investigating the issue " But
Petrushka
May 2017
#317
Well, that's a problematic thing to ask for, since DOJ doesn't announce their investigations.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#321
Yes, I "...asked for something from 2015, when it was a rumor, but it's been confirmed now,..."
Petrushka
May 2017
#333
The information they were given was a bit less vague and deliberately false.
Ninsianna
May 2017
#226
I dont think any of that matters pnwmom or atleast not unless there is an actual indictment
cstanleytech
May 2017
#70
That's true. She's innocent till proven guilty. But the fact that there are stories about this
pnwmom
May 2017
#90
Ya assuming there is anything to get to as the FBI could decide that shes not guilty of anything
cstanleytech
May 2017
#106
I'm not sure I understand your point of view. All of this WAS known about Jane Sanders
pnwmom
May 2017
#234
Even now, there has been no confirmation that she will be charged with anything
karynnj
May 2017
#235
The FOIA requests and the Congressional inquiries were done by the State Department
karynnj
May 2017
#238
Again, there was nothing for her to "leave" with the State Dept because she had nothing stored there
pnwmom
May 2017
#239
And the allegations against Hillary were made by a different group of Republicans, with agendas.
pnwmom
May 2017
#255
She wasn't some inexperienced first-time homeowner being snookered into a no-doc loan.
pnwmom
May 2017
#150
The bank didn't complain. That right wing ratfucker Toensing complained.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#80
The bank held the first mortgage so they didn't lose money. But the Catholic archdiocese
pnwmom
May 2017
#115
Lol. "One of their parishioners" named Wendy Wilton - former republican state rep and...
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#125
Oh, right, because if only they were Democrats those parishioners would have been just fine
pnwmom
May 2017
#133
Yeah, I'm sure Victoria Toensing and Joe Degenova are looking out for the church.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#136
Well, IF anyone at Burlington College submitted false documents in trying to finance
pnwmom
May 2017
#137
The FBI is totally corrupted. I am not a big Bernie Sanders fan but I am very skeptical
StevieM
May 2017
#117
Yep. The complaint was started by Brady Toensing son of Victoria Toensing.
Hassin Bin Sober
May 2017
#128
Please stop providing facts that only serve to continue confusing the issue!
Petrushka
May 2017
#161
Yes. I have known about that since it was first reported back during the campaign
Freethinker65
May 2017
#44
Why is Jane Sanders being personally investigated instead of the College as a "Corporation"?
mackdaddy
May 2017
#190
Little known fact, a member of the Bove family ran for mayor the year Bernie won
karynnj
May 2017
#261
Right. The RW will certainly use this, especially in VT, but it's still a legitimate story. n/t
pnwmom
May 2017
#57
The VT papers have been reporting this for a year at least. But few seemed to care. nt
pnwmom
May 2017
#51
Great. Now can they get busy on investigating SERIAL CON MAN DONALD TRUMP FOR TREASON? n/t
CousinIT
May 2017
#43
I know! Our country is being run by traitors, and they're already dismantling healthcare.
C Moon
May 2017
#76
It did take 2 years to get to this point, and that's from a starting point of 5 years
Ninsianna
May 2017
#221
Has the FBI turned into a super agency? Its investigations in to the political arena has expanded..
bobGandolf
May 2017
#49
But bank fraud would be a traditional area for the FBI to investigate, right? nt
pnwmom
May 2017
#58
The FBI investigates violations of federal law, especially those involving possible fraud of $Ms
George II
May 2017
#64
If they investigated White Collar Crime, we'd see a lot more of those assholes in prison!
C Moon
May 2017
#78
FWIW: The Vermont Public Radio headline isn't inflammatory while The Hill's is . . .
Petrushka
May 2017
#183
"Everything will be okay in the end. If it isn't okay, it isn't the end." --- Anonymous
Petrushka
May 2017
#318
But the story has been covered by progressive VT outlets like the VT Digger and Seven Days,
pnwmom
May 2017
#93
No, you've got the events out of order. They couldn't buy the land until they obtained
pnwmom
May 2017
#99
I love Hillary and am not a Sanders fan. But let's not forget how dishonest James Comey is.
StevieM
May 2017
#118
My point was Jane's attitude towards Hillary. Total contempt, acting like Hillary was guilty
lunamagica
May 2017
#124
I think he might have felt boxed into a corner with Guiliani's leaks in October,
pnwmom
May 2017
#268
Comey hasn't been discussing this case. A Republican politico in Vermont has been pushing
pnwmom
May 2017
#145
What is your evidence for saying Comey released information to the Rethug who's pushing this case?
pnwmom
May 2017
#148
Isn't it possible both that the Republicans in that state are pursuing this case
pnwmom
May 2017
#154
Is this so important that it has to be reposted half a dozen times in aout 24 hours?
mikehiggins
May 2017
#153
I just looked through 4 pages of GD and didn't see any other OP's about this. n/t
pnwmom
May 2017
#155
I don't see slamming of Senator Sanders here. BTW, picking one's nose isn't...
George II
May 2017
#171
Actually, and more importantly, I suspect that Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley would also
StevieM
May 2017
#223
Exactly. It's LUDICROUS for any Bernie supporter to essentially claim that Putin would have
pnwmom
May 2017
#240
Actually, it's the blind jingoism of those who bought Bernie's message, and whom he couldn't
Ninsianna
May 2017
#224
The FBI has been interviewing a number of other people connected with the loan,
pnwmom
May 2017
#257
Why do you characterize those commenting on this investigation as "Sanders' haters"?
George II
May 2017
#293
I have yet to see any *actual proof* that Mrs. Sanders is under investigation...
Trial_By_Fire
May 2017
#300
You didn't read through the article. In it is reference to VTDigger.com which has been told....
George II
May 2017
#303
No one can ever say that about anyone, since the FBI only very rarely makes that info public.
pnwmom
May 2017
#339
Then why are there even posts on Jane Sanders regarding a FBI investigation?
Trial_By_Fire
May 2017
#341
I hadn't thought of that. You ask a fair question that ought to be answered.
NurseJackie
May 2017
#292
