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LiberalLovinLug

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13. What is your definition of "far left" and "far right" that they can be the same thing?
Fri May 19, 2017, 02:30 PM
May 2017

I can see what the "far right" is. They are represented by the Freedom Caucus, and other member of the GOP. Steve Bannon, and members of the Trump inner circle. They hold real power. (And they did so even with Obama in office)

Who is the "far left" in your eyes? Sanders and Warren? Politicians that just want to give Americans what every other western democracies have? Because I don't see many further left than that having a lot of influence in positions of power.

Julian Assange is more about freedom of information. I doubt he considers himself right or left. Its also been clear from his statements that he agrees with Princeton University in their assessment that the US is already an oligarchy. And he most likely despises both parties in the US. I would surmise that he would have released GOP insider emails as well if someone had leaked them to him. He is an idealist about that "the truth will set you free" And more information is better than no information, even if its not the information you wanted to hear.

As far as I'm concerned, fake news is much more dangerous than honest truthful revelations that you don't want to hear. That decades long fake news assault on the Clintons is what did her in, not the Podesa emails. Now did they help? No, and I wish he hadn't released them, but holding back secrets that authorities don't want us to hear is not his shtick.

Now I do think he got used by Putin and is too arrogant to admit it. He isn't the most likable person I grant that. But my gawd, the vitriol spewed out in DU against him, as if he was largely responsible for the Democrat loss is laughable. and worse, the idea pushed around that "the left" who represent people coming together, pooling taxes to help everyone have heathcare, making a fairer society, treating the elderly with respect by assuring them of SS, paying workers a decent minimum wage, freedom of choice for women, on and on....that if we are not careful we will want these things a little too too much and suddenly are transformed into RWers who blame minorities, hate gays and womens rights, and generally approach life as "I'm alright Jack".

"Far left" to me is Leninist / Stalinist / Moaist thinking from the last century. (Even then I'd argue that they devolved into power hungry elitists and never did establish a true "far left" government) But every party, the world over, other than a few exceptions, has been steadily moving right including both the Democratic and the Republican parties. Increased corporate donations and control. Whomever that regards themselves as "far left" holds zero power and is in such a tiny minority that they are insignificant. The idea of putting them on the same position of influence in the country is laughable.

And even though IMO the whole left/right meme is not applicable in Assange;s case, I have to say that I am also sick of this insinuation that there is this single giant ouroboros of political beliefs out there, and that one must be careful because if you travel a little too far around the circle, you may think you are more left but suddenly you have become a raving tea bagger. It makes no sense at all.

Lie to him then nab the asshole- Would love to see him questioned by the Senate snooper2 May 2017 #1
The authoritarianism is so charming. JackRiddler May 2017 #28
I'm less enthused about security state than some on DU cloudythescribbler May 2017 #2
So let me get his straight... Dopers_Greed May 2017 #3
another MSM/powers-that-be encouraged meme of "rightwing" Wikileaks efforts cloudythescribbler May 2017 #7
Bullshit.. wikileaks and assange are rw assholes.. Cha May 2017 #17
And he's a rapist piece of shit ismnotwasm May 2017 #29
Exactly, ism.. I was thinking about that after Cha May 2017 #30
I'm ambivalent toward Assange and Wikileaks sandensea May 2017 #35
Assange's "important work" Dr Hobbitstein May 2017 #4
scapegoating of Wikileaks for DT presidency is the kind of thinking ... cloudythescribbler May 2017 #5
Supporting assholes like Julian Assange is why the far left and the far right are the same. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2017 #6
equating the "far left" and the right is the kind of thinking ... cloudythescribbler May 2017 #8
Both the far right and far left love them some Jillian Assange and Russia. Dr Hobbitstein May 2017 #10
What is your definition of "far left" and "far right" that they can be the same thing? LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #13
The far left does not consist of any elected Democratic figures. Dr Hobbitstein May 2017 #16
Thanks for clarifying LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #18
Sarandon endorsed Jill Stein. Dr Hobbitstein May 2017 #19
You seem to be confusing personality with platform. LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #23
Sarandon is a flake who preferred Trump "burning it all down" to Hillary.... bettyellen May 2017 #27
You exagerate LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #31
Bullshit. She preferred Trump over Hillary. Such an unhinged woman. bettyellen May 2017 #32
That is a very 'with us or against us' view LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #37
Those that fell for the Russian propaganda need to wake the fuck up, period! bettyellen May 2017 #38
The far left does not consist of any elected Democratic figures. LenaBaby61 May 2017 #26
Assange is a Russian troll...and helps no one but those the Russians like Demsrule86 May 2017 #9
detail in Assange-trashing narrative new to me -- what linx him to "France Leak"? cloudythescribbler May 2017 #11
google is your friend...Assange is an asshat Russian troll. Demsrule86 May 2017 #14
The original Wikileakers who were honest left a while ago, disgusted by Assaange's power plays.... bettyellen May 2017 #39
Don't you hate houseguests who hang around forever? brooklynite May 2017 #12
LOL! True dat DeminPennswoods May 2017 #36
He must be getting tired of all of that ceviche Jose Garcia May 2017 #15
It sucks to be him jpak May 2017 #20
I have little sympathy for his pasty ass n/t TexasBushwhacker May 2017 #25
this has always seemed paranoid treestar May 2017 #21
I would like to see Assange in prison. hrmjustin May 2017 #22
I'm guessing the Russians could park a car under his balcony... brooklynite May 2017 #24
I guess you could say he's in a prison... GReedDiamond May 2017 #33
Stay in the embassy and rot orangecrush May 2017 #34
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