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22. Acting disrespectful does not show "modesty."

Sat Dec 22, 2018, 11:34 PM

Dec 2018

Orthodox jews acknowledge the "awkwardness" of refusing a handshake:

On the other hand, the Torah also tells us to treat others with respect and to be extremely careful to avoid embarrassing anyone. In a culture where a handshake is the typical greeting, one might be concerned that refraining from shaking an outstretched hand will cause awkwardness.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4203703/jewish/Whats-Up-With-Orthodox-Men-and-Women-and-the-Handshake.htm

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Denmark Passes Muslim-Focused Law Requiring Handshakes In Citizenship Ceremonies [View all] appalachiablue Dec 2018 OP

Why? Just have to dishonor someone else's religion? sinkingfeeling Dec 2018 #1

And to dissuade from seeking citizenship, obvious & mean. appalachiablue Dec 2018 #8

The only people it'll dissuade are folks who have demonstrated they don't want to integrate Jake Stern Dec 2018 #26

How is following your religion telling someone else they must follow yours? Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #54

When Muslim countries require all women to veil, aren't they disrespecting them? pnwmom Dec 2018 #34

I believe that making anyone follow your religion is wrong. Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #55

Except they aren't? EX500rider Dec 2018 #100

The custom of not shaking hands has to do with their religion-this law violates the right to freedom iluvtennis Dec 2018 #2

How this can hold up I don't know. appalachiablue Dec 2018 #6

"The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark (Dansk Folkekirke) is the state religion... EX500rider Dec 2018 #9

The Danish Lutheran Church is a far cry from our fundies here... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #24

Not that I agree with the law, christx30 Dec 2018 #15

Culture is one thing, Hav Dec 2018 #31

When non-Muslim visitors who are women are required to wear veils, pnwmom Dec 2018 #35

It seems to be a religious thing, probably both Hav Dec 2018 #63

It seems trivial to us, but it's symbolic to them. They see it as a sign of flexibility pnwmom Dec 2018 #70

+1. Same with the Swiss: dalton99a Dec 2018 #82

I have mixed feelings about this, but I have to observe.... Adrahil Dec 2018 #106

Would you defend the US making English the official language onenote Dec 2018 #51

You realize they don't operate under the U.S. Constitution, right? n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #33

I think the criticisms are based on law. They're based on what is right and wrong. onenote Dec 2018 #52

It's a fucking handshake customerserviceguy Dec 2018 #76

Just what does it take to be so xenophobic that you sit around analyzing all the ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #3

Mean and as obvious as hell. appalachiablue Dec 2018 #5

Seems to be a reaction to what happened in Morocco recently ansible Dec 2018 #13

It's not a rational response by any means ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #21

not true, they want them to demonstrate they accept gender equality AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #84

Denmark has a right to screen applicants for citizenship. EX500rider Dec 2018 #73

Thank you for answering my question ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #74

absolutely AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #80

The world is full of horrible people. madaboutharry Dec 2018 #4

Let's be true: also discourages women from seeking citizenship. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2018 #7

The requirement for women to veil themselves in Muslim countries also discourages some women pnwmom Dec 2018 #36

So Denmark should use... tonedevil Dec 2018 #103

Denmark is sending the message that people are welcome to be citizens pnwmom Dec 2018 #107

I'm pretty sure... tonedevil Dec 2018 #109

Well, you'd be wrong. They have an official state religion. And I don't see how requiring pnwmom Dec 2018 #110

Actually having a state religion... tonedevil Dec 2018 #111

This isn't "dressing it up as a gender rights issue." It is fundamentally a gender rights issue, pnwmom Dec 2018 #112

It is nothing short of ridiculous to... tonedevil Dec 2018 #115

What is the religious reason to not shake hands with members of the opposite sex? oberliner Dec 2018 #10

It's a rule to promote modesty between the sexes fountainofyouth Dec 2018 #19

Acting disrespectful does not show "modesty." SunSeeker Dec 2018 #22

Yes. My rabbi, solidly Orthodox, will shake hands in order EllieBC Dec 2018 #25

Fundamentally, it is a fear of being contaminated by a woman. pnwmom Dec 2018 #113

That's ridiculous! Who needs to shake someone's hand just to gain citizenship? When my mother.... George II Dec 2018 #11

to demonstrate that you can succesfully integrate into denmark society AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #79

How petty. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2018 #12

Forcing somebody to touch somebody else for any reason lilactime Dec 2018 #14

I agree. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #29

this is pretty specific and with good reason AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #81

I am a woman. NOBODY has the right to tell me to touch lilactime Dec 2018 #85

Which is fine of course, it just means you won't be granted Danish citizenship if u applied. n/t EX500rider Dec 2018 #92

It means the state is revictimizing women who are already victimized lilactime Dec 2018 #93

No one is victimized, if they don't like it go to some other country, there are 194 other ones. EX500rider Dec 2018 #94

Good for them! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #16

I'm as much anti-(fairy tale) deity worship as you give in your post The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #17

But many of these Muslim people come from countries that require women who live in those pnwmom Dec 2018 #37

I hate being in the position to defend religion The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #42

The difference between a Muslim veil christx30 Dec 2018 #117

It's about putting customerserviceguy Dec 2018 #77

Based on your explanation and the logic contained within it The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #89

Frankly customerserviceguy Dec 2018 #108

What about people of faith here on DU, do you count them among the "weak minded"? Marengo Dec 2018 #96

I'm pretty sure the answer for your question was already found The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #98

How about answering with a yes or no? Or is that too intimidating for a courageous lion? Marengo Dec 2018 #101

I've not been coy in anyway. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #104

Bullshit, now how about answering in the manner I have requested. Marengo Dec 2018 #105

I agree with you 100% obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #20

I'm very liberal but really agree with you lostnfound Dec 2018 #27

You do know Denmark has a state religion rpannier Dec 2018 #32

lots of countries have national religions* Mosby Dec 2018 #67

LiberalLovinLug, 100% right, please repost this on every religious thread StopTheNeoCons Dec 2018 #40

Damn good post LiberalLovinLug Devil Child Dec 2018 #58

Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Dec 2018 #75

What if they are christian but have germophobia? The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #18

They can keep hand sanitizer in their pocket. nt SunSeeker Dec 2018 #23

I say good on 'em Jake Stern Dec 2018 #28

I'm sure they'll stop at handshakes this time, right? ck4829 Dec 2018 #39

I would say nationalist movements are taken off and finding fertile ground to sprout in the west The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #44

Would it be good on them onenote Dec 2018 #53

Center-right government. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #30

So that would mean a Muslim who does shake hands (And many DO, no problem) is an equal citizen... ck4829 Dec 2018 #38

First they came for the Muslims, but I was not Islamic . . . ucrdem Dec 2018 #41

+1 ck4829 Dec 2018 #43

If they were coming after anyone I would agree... GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #46

It's a small thing, but small things add up fast. ucrdem Dec 2018 #49

I am stunned by all the intolerance I see on this thread coming from so called liberals and The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #45

This isn't about the US or Republicans. EX500rider Dec 2018 #48

"This is about Denmark deciding what kind of people they want to let in their country which is their onenote Dec 2018 #50

I'd say every country has a right to decide what kind of citizens they want to let in. EX500rider Dec 2018 #60

How about moving to a country Hav Dec 2018 #64

1st, where in the Quran does it say a hand may not be shaken in a induction ceremony? EX500rider Dec 2018 #66

So I guess you'd be cool with them forcing Orthodox Jews to eat a ham sandwich onenote Dec 2018 #69

I'd be fine with any screening out of any ultra-orthodox religious types...stay where you are. EX500rider Dec 2018 #71

You are correct this is about Denmark The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #56

"religious liberty" Oxymoron? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #68

I am alarmed by liberals who defend radical islam AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #83

REALLY!!! The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #88

So I'm going with you never took issue with Pence EllieBC Dec 2018 #90

That has nothing to do with the price of tea in China The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #91

No see this is a pattern. EllieBC Dec 2018 #95

It is ultra orthodox. EX500rider Dec 2018 #99

That is so wrong. Rustyeye77 Dec 2018 #47

I have at least 10 Muslim friends, and every single one of them shakes hands with others Polybius Dec 2018 #57

what about others? MortSahlFan Dec 2018 #61

What others? Polybius Dec 2018 #62

This law would affect extreme orthodox practitioners of all religions. EX500rider Dec 2018 #65

And that's how it should be LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #72

Extreme orthodox practitioners of all religions are the root of all evil. Squinch Dec 2018 #87

Denmark, wow, I am sad. Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #59

I'm sorry but if you are not willing to shake a woman's hand.... AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #78

If I were moving to a middle eastern country, I would understand that it meant I had Squinch Dec 2018 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Dec 2018 #97

Not even gloves? That's ridiculous, IMO. Ilsa Dec 2018 #102

At its root, prohibitions on hand-shaking between men and women pnwmom Dec 2018 #114

Obviously Denmark isn't a bastion of religious freedom MrScorpio Dec 2018 #116

The Quran has no section forbidding male/female handshakes. EX500rider Dec 2018 #118