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JaneQPublic

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13. Related Issue: Northern Ireland approaching Catholic majority
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0104/1224309780877.html

THE BRITISH and Irish governments and the people of Northern Ireland are facing the prospect – and sooner than most people might think – of how to manage a transformed constitutional situation where the majority in the North are likely to be from a Catholic background.

It’s going to raise serious questions for southerners too, who must also address complex constitutional problems that if not managed properly and creatively could land Northern Ireland – and the rest of the island – back in the mire.

It’s time for the beginning of a calm debate.

The figures are revealed in the statistics: there are now significantly more Catholics than Protestants in nursery, primary, second- and third-level education in Northern Ireland. If that trend continues, and it’s difficult to see a reason why it should not, then in another generation or so the majority population should be Catholic or from a Catholic background – people of voting age, most of whose immediate antecedents are nationalist in their political outlook.

Scotland cannot legally hold such a poll of its own volition dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #1
Exactly T_i_B Jan 2012 #2
Yeah, what a rotten dishonesty. Politicians want to win a referendum Fool Count Jan 2012 #22
If the case for Independence is so strong..... T_i_B Jan 2012 #42
Act-shmact, the referendum will be held in 2014, because that's what the Scottish Fool Count Jan 2012 #70
I wonder how you would like it.... T_i_B Jan 2012 #93
I wouldn't give a toss. I am Canadian. Fool Count Jan 2012 #95
Yes We Can Charlemagne Jan 2012 #3
About your sig line MattBaggins Jan 2012 #4
Not this American.. whathehell Jan 2012 #10
they did try Maine-ah Jan 2012 #21
Yup, so they're trying again -- Good for them whathehell Jan 2012 #41
And the Irish still don't have them kicked ALL the way out! nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #26
I know, but they appear to be farther along than Scotland. whathehell Jan 2012 #35
Wha the hell... Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2012 #32
Um, no. whathehell Jan 2012 #36
You'd be hard pressed to prove that assertion zipplewrath Jan 2012 #47
Not really...The point is, the demographics of California whathehell Jan 2012 #49
Spend a week in NYC, Iowa, and LA zipplewrath Jan 2012 #50
Please...I've already done that! whathehell Jan 2012 #52
For various values of "always" zipplewrath Jan 2012 #54
Limitations on "always" are not limited to the United States or anywhere else, as a matter of fact. whathehell Jan 2012 #58
I agree zipplewrath Jan 2012 #61
........ whathehell Jan 2012 #72
I said at the outset zipplewrath Jan 2012 #77
Whatever, Zip. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #78
do you have a source for the generational progressions of language aquisition? arely staircase Jan 2012 #86
Nah zipplewrath Jan 2012 #96
Hence the lack of any substantial cultural difference between the Northern states and the Southern s LanternWaste Jan 2012 #63
It depends on your view of "substantial" whathehell Jan 2012 #74
Note that our former Prime Minister Brown is Scottish LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #80
I never said there was some huge "discrimination" being foisted on the Scots. whathehell Jan 2012 #83
A better analogy would be Hawai'i KamaAina Jan 2012 #67
No; that's a really bad analogy muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #68
The Scots are the Brits. harmonicon Jan 2012 #57
Apparently, they don't agree. whathehell Jan 2012 #59
Huh? No, I'm pretty sure all parties involved understand historical fact. harmonicon Jan 2012 #60
Perhaps, but they seem to interpret them differently whathehell Jan 2012 #73
and whether they will remain so after 2014 is precisely what the referendum will decide arely staircase Jan 2012 #87
I wouldn't count on it. n/t Agent William Jan 2012 #89
That has nothing to do with what I was posting about. harmonicon Jan 2012 #90
Not sure why this is a threat to London dmallind Jan 2012 #5
+1 Charlemagne Jan 2012 #7
You are exactly right about the American south... Glorfindel Jan 2012 #9
But I'm not sure "the American South" vs. the American North" is really analagous whathehell Jan 2012 #12
There was no 'colonization' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #14
Okay, but the bribery of the Scottish politicians whathehell Jan 2012 #15
No, not like the plantation of Ulster muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #20
Okay, great whathehell Jan 2012 #34
No problem if they do want independence muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #45
Well, it's an interesting situation. whathehell Jan 2012 #46
The Mel Gibson movie was a highly fictionalized version of an old conflict, not the present. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #30
Really?.....Apparently the Scots related to it...I understand when it premiered whathehell Jan 2012 #39
More like "conquest and co-optation", then. whathehell Jan 2012 #51
Union came before Plymouth Rock did - and the Scottish king took over England, not vice versa dmallind Jan 2012 #18
Absolutely. And the royal lineage after Elizabeth I to the present is from Mary, a Scot. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #29
Yeah, with more than a bit of German in there as well, I understand, but the point is whathehell Jan 2012 #37
Well aware of that, but what does "Plymouth Rock" have to do with the UK at this point? whathehell Jan 2012 #38
As a NYer I am about at my wits end MattBaggins Jan 2012 #24
Yeah online games can be crazy in the differing politics mashed together. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #65
The Scotts may have other considerations beside the net revenue flow, Fool Count Jan 2012 #23
Just one thing, in reference whathehell Jan 2012 #48
Good. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #6
Welcome news Voltaire Jan 2012 #8
Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence? MicaelS Jan 2012 #56
It would be interesting to see the results. I love Scotland's history but don't want to see much of jwirr Jan 2012 #11
Related Issue: Northern Ireland approaching Catholic majority JaneQPublic Jan 2012 #13
They need to give it back. They stole it, and they're being "fucked" out of MADem Jan 2012 #17
that's because every sperm is sacred..lol Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2012 #33
Agreed. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #43
I disagree with you analysis. Charlemagne Jan 2012 #53
You are free to so do. nt MADem Jan 2012 #55
....and that would be even more beneficial financially. dmallind Jan 2012 #19
This could get interesting! nt MADem Jan 2012 #16
Presumably if they say goodbye to the UK dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #25
One major question... T_i_B Jan 2012 #44
Not just the Euro but the EU too ikri Jan 2012 #62
And then there's the nationalised Scottish banks T_i_B Jan 2012 #75
England to ask nicely for independence from Scotland dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #27
Thanks for the laugh. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #31
If the Scots leave there's never going to be another Labour government. craigmatic Jan 2012 #28
The Tories are actually well aware of this... T_i_B Jan 2012 #40
FRRREEEEEEEDOOOOM!!!!!! Sorry I had to say it. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #64
You weren't the only one thinking that... Hugabear Jan 2012 #66
The irony is that 'Wallace' probably means his family were recent migrants to Scotland muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #71
a dancing ultra man? Charlemagne Jan 2012 #69
As a Scot, (may be the only one here) I feel the need to include my input MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #76
Thanks for your much needed input, Michael. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #79
Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence? MicaelS Jan 2012 #82
Put simply, because many of them don't like the English T_i_B Jan 2012 #91
Assuming this passes and Scotland does become independent DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #81
"A more powerful central government"? MicaelS Jan 2012 #84
I'm not saying it's good or bad, only that I think it would be a result DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #85
The EU is dominated by Germany and France T_i_B Jan 2012 #92
Indeed, and that's why DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #94
Scotland should have independence. ozone_man Jan 2012 #88
Scottish independence: Wales and Northern Ireland make unity plea muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #97
You shall obey your English masters, knaves!! tabasco Jan 2012 #98
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