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Marthe48

(16,958 posts)
42. I have mixed feelings
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:16 AM
Feb 2019

I didn't grow up when blackface was a vaudeville stunt. I grew up when men dressing like women was considered humorous. I never thought that it was that funny, but it was a popular schtick for everyone from Milton Berle to Monty Python.
I noticed that rather than embrace the actual people, whites co-opt cultural properties. Black musicians, by and large, introduced jazz, blues, and rap to American and world culture. Rather than hire the black artists from whom the music flowed, white musicians learned how to play jazz, blues and rap and they got most of the gigs. I think black face is a bad effort to co-opt black humor, or at least black presence on stage. Some humorless whites didn't want to work with black people, so they made their own. The image of white men painted black, or men wearing women's clothes, remains for some an image of old-timey entertainment. But neither were funny to thoughtful people then, and moving forward, both become unfunny anachronisms.
I am not ready to judge the politicians who might have been clueless enough to use blackface. First, I want to be sure this isn't a dirty trick set up to destroy Democratic leadership in Va. Next, I need to learn more about the men involved. Are they like Sen. Byrd? Have they experienced personal growth so that if they were insensitive enough then, are they the same now? Or are they cringing because in their formative years, they were jerks? I don't want to be insensitive or pragmatic. If Northrup, et al, are self-serving hypocrites paying lip service to advancing civil rights, then they need go. If they are the victims of a dirty trick, or if by their public service have atoned, maybe we can forgive their past bad behaviour and let them continue on their paths.

Stum[]pys 30%ers mantra is of course white people first... Maxheader Feb 2019 #1
About the same as trumps approval rating Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #2
I was going to say... MissMillie Feb 2019 #3
That's about what I thought. 30% of American's don't give a damn about another person's feelings... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #4
You are too generous doompatrol39 Feb 2019 #6
So I'm an optimist... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #7
Here we go again, Trump base in action. so what else can we poll for. Do you believe that Jews Chickensoup Feb 2019 #5
A third of Americans. Hmmmmm??? His lowly base of idiots? Firestorm49 Feb 2019 #8
30% of Americans are Racist BlueIdaho Feb 2019 #9
America's dependable third Reich Politicub Feb 2019 #10
i wonder which 1/3 that would be... 0rganism Feb 2019 #11
LOLOL. My thoughts exactly! n/t Greybnk48 Feb 2019 #13
Probably the same third that accepts spraying orange paint on one's face to try to appear human... LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #12
Is that the same third that thinks Trump is doing a great job? jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #14
I'd love to see that crosstab Stuckinthebush Feb 2019 #15
They must have polled DU members. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #16
What do you mean? nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #17
There are quite a few posters on here condoning blackface. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #18
No, there aren't. Can you link to any? Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #23
Sorry it took so long. Quite a few were removed, but here's one. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #25
That's not someone condoning blackface. I still await all the links of DUers who condone blackface.. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #31
I'd be here all day trying to unhide or search google to find post removed. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #33
What ARE you talking about. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #34
Never said you did, and honestly apologize that you thought I did. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #36
Someone can decry blackface, but forgive one instance of it done 35 years ago. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #40
Why can't we see removed posts anyway? Polybius Feb 2019 #39
The poll shows that 99% of Democrats do not condone blackface. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #24
That 99% isn't on DU. I was referring to the 34% rogue emissary Feb 2019 #27
Those 34%-ers are Republicans. Can you send your links to all the DUers who condone blackface? Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #30
People posing as Democrats DO butt in here until the right people spot them. Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #32
What they didn't say jmowreader Feb 2019 #19
50% of Republicans think it is always or sometimes acceptable kwassa Feb 2019 #20
trump's hateful idiot base. End of story. (nt) Paladin Feb 2019 #21
The same ones BHDem53 Feb 2019 #22
makes perfect sense based on drumpf's poll numbers Takket Feb 2019 #26
I'd say just say "Trump's Base" but judging from Virginia... sfwriter Feb 2019 #28
I've actually talked to some of the 30%. "White Chicks" is apparently sufficient justification. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #29
That would be Trump's base. muntrv Feb 2019 #35
A lot of progress since 90 years ago when blackface was not just acceptable andym Feb 2019 #37
One Third of Americans are apparently racist trash. But, we knew that already, didn't we? Progressive Jones Feb 2019 #38
That is trumpery's base. appleannie1943 Feb 2019 #41
I have mixed feelings Marthe48 Feb 2019 #42
A Third of Americans are Asses! MineralMan Feb 2019 #43
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