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JohnnyRingo

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22. I've been a history buff of WWII all my life
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:11 PM
Apr 2019

Because it was an amazing era of mechanized warfare. Indeed, technology took incredible advances during those long 5 or 6 years from biplanes and horse drawn cannon to nuclear ordinance. Necessity is not the mother of invention, war is.

The fact that during that conflict 10% of the soldiers on both sides did 90% of the killing has been well documented. I've since done research into the Gulf Wars and how recruitment changed to make for a leaner more effective fighting force. The Pentagon relies more now on psychologists than Sgt Carter to craft soldiers into machines that kill without hesitation. While the goal is 100% kill force, that isn't possible, but it's much higher now.


Studies of combat activity during the Napoleonic and Civil Wars revealed striking statistics. Given the ability of the men, their proximity to the enemy, and the capacity of their weapons, the number of enemy soldiers hit should have been well over 50 percent, resulting in a killing rate of hundreds per minute. Instead, however, the hit rate was only one or two per minute. And a similar phenomenon occurred during World War I: according to British Lieutenant George Roupell, the only way he could get his men to stop firing into the air was by drawing his sword, walking down the trench, "beating [them] on the backside and ... telling them to fire low". World War II fire rates were also remarkably low: historian and US Army Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall reported that, during battle, the firing rate was a mere 15 to 20 percent; in other words, out of every hundred men engaged in a firefight, only fifteen to twenty actually used their weapons. And in Vietnam, for every enemy soldier killed, more than fifty thousand bullets were fired.

What these studies have taught the military is that in order to get soldiers to shoot to kill, to actively participate in violence, the soldiers must be sufficiently desensitized to the act of killing. In other words, they have to learn not to feel -- and not to feel responsible -- for their actions. They must be taught to override their own conscience. yet these studies also demonstrate that even in the face of immediate danger, in situations of extreme violence, most people are averse to killing. In other words, as Marshall concludes, "the vast majority of combatants throughout history, at the moment of truth when they could and should kill the enemy, have found themselves to be 'conscientious objectors'".
https://www.historynet.com/men-against-fire-how-many-soldiers-actually-fired-their-weapons-at-the-enemy-during-the-vietnam-war.htm


S.L.A. Marshall did a study on the firing rates of soldiers in World War II. He found that the ratio of rounds fired vs. hits was low; he also noted that the majority of soldiers were not aiming to hit their targets.[6] This was a problem for the US military and its allies during World War II. New training implements were developed and hit rates improved. The changes were small, but effective. First, instead of shooting at bull's-eye type targets, the United States Army switched to silhouette targets that mimic an average human. Training also switched from 300 yard slow fire testing to rapid fire testing with different time and distance intervals from 20 to 300 yards. With these two changes, hitting targets became a reaction that was almost automatic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killology


Corruption. Murderer who likes killing & enjoys being above law. What American values has Gallagher? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #1
Trump's and the Republican Party Values! Many in the military are scary Trump supporters. rkleinberger Apr 2019 #19
Amazing. Sick, but amazing in its arrogance. Firestorm49 Apr 2019 #2
Prosecutors allege a Navy SEAL killed a wounded ISIS fighter with a hunting knife and held his head Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #3
He look a little too happy.. Historic NY Apr 2019 #9
Yeah, much too happy PatSeg Apr 2019 #14
Court Martial is not enough LiberalFighter Apr 2019 #4
Things won't change without publicity and the perp and those covering for him are tried Karadeniz Apr 2019 #5
murderers barbtries Apr 2019 #6
Right on the money Barb. And the majority of Americans are OK with that. Evolve Dammit Apr 2019 #10
the making of another... stillcool Apr 2019 #7
Corruption *ALWAYS* starts at the top. Initech Apr 2019 #8
We created him. JohnnyRingo Apr 2019 #11
then how about those soldiers who reported him and tried to do something ? JI7 Apr 2019 #12
I believe they all stand near the edge of a mental cliff. JohnnyRingo Apr 2019 #16
What do you base this information on? trc Apr 2019 #21
I've been a history buff of WWII all my life JohnnyRingo Apr 2019 #22
Another Trump pardon in the works? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2019 #13
Maybe Clint Eastwood can make him a hero in a movie... robbob Apr 2019 #15
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #17
My congressman is defending this dirtbag itsrobert Apr 2019 #18
GI's in Nam dealt with this problem in a more practical way randr Apr 2019 #20
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