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moriah

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5. What's more disturbing is the well-known and long-standing issue of "plants"...
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:27 PM
Apr 2019

.... in protests.

Especially since lawsuits during the 9/11/the Iraq war protest movement, as protests have shifted and the alt-right has risen, the "plants" are not law enforcement informants anymore -- but instead are private citizens who go into protests to incite violence.

Holding protest leaders accountable simply because they direct their group to engage in "non-violent direct action" -- aka, an illegal act that does not specifically involve violence -- and another person in the group decides to engage in violence will have a chilling effect.

As it stands, I still recommend that protest organizers play defense, hard.

1) Know the law and do not break it unless you have trained your group in "jail solidarity". Mass arrests have taken place when people have broken even the simplest of local laws regarding how protests may be conducted -- see April 7, 2003, NYC and the lawsuit that took place there. There was a non-violent direct action planned -- by 10 people.

The entire group of people there obeying the law but supporting their efforts were arrested, and even if the city settled the lawsuit it sucked for those people who didn't break the law to get rounded up with everyone else. The 10 who knew they'd be arrested had already had jail solidarity training.

2) Do not take the verbal word from an official about whether or not a permit is necessary for a protest such as a march that will use a public street, noise use, signs that have sticks, or anything else that could potentially create a disturbance. Either record the conversation where they say you don't need a permit if your state allows you to record in-person or phone conversations you are a party to, or get it in writing.

A guy at a local college wanted to arrange a BLM protest, and I was happy to go, but I asked about a permit since it was gonna be a march that he said would go down a specific route of streets. He said "Oh yeah, the guy at city hall said it was fine." I recommended he double-check, and sure enough, the guy was attempting to set him up to get the entire group arrested.

3) Especially if your group EVER engages in "non-violent direct action" -- aka deliberately disobeys any law -- be EXTREMELY careful who you let in the group. If people start talking violence, destruction of random property, etc, they don't need to be part of your group. Shut all such talk down immediately.

It's not cops anymore who are instigating these types of activities to get people stripped of their First Amendment rights, but individual actors who disagree with your movement doing it on their own without bribery or coercion from LE. And that makes them doubly dangerous.

this is the kind of event where limbaugh gives it time to attack mckesson and BLM. which certainot Apr 2019 #1
Good. Protest, yes. Protest in such a way or in such a location that puts people in danger,no. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #2
You're agreeing with Republican judges who are rewriting how protests are dealt with KeepItReal Apr 2019 #3
No, I'm not. That case has nothing to do with dangerous locations of protests. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #4
Um, okay, so should everyone who laid down in the streets in the Iraq War protest... moriah Apr 2019 #6
"...an officer was injured because of the location." atreides1 Apr 2019 #11
That's all the guy is asking for. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #12
What's more disturbing is the well-known and long-standing issue of "plants"... moriah Apr 2019 #5
+1 dalton99a Apr 2019 #7
I disagree, Honeycombe. BLM should not be held responsible for a rogue individual's action. Nitram Apr 2019 #9
Maybe the trial court will find that. But the appeal is about whether he has rt to sue the organizr. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #10
There is a difference between peaceful and non-violent protest, and a murder. Nitram Apr 2019 #13
Isn't that what people here on DU do every time there's an officer-involved shooting? Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #14
Police officer is an occupation, but more than that, they are an organization... Humanist_Activist Apr 2019 #16
That's almost word for word what the bigots say about African-Americans. Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #19
Races don't have organizations like police unions or departments that provide cover.... Humanist_Activist Apr 2019 #21
Okay, so you're just going to harp on that one thing? Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #23
You are the one who made the comparison, it breaks down due to the things I mentioned. Humanist_Activist Apr 2019 #24
I don't agree with broad brush thinking at all. That's kind of the point I'm making here. Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #25
The police are a close-knit group with their own culture of unwritten rules. They have the support Nitram Apr 2019 #28
None of which is the least bit relevant to the point I'm making about broad-brush thinking. N/T Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #29
Jedi Guy, maybe it is relevant. If a pattern is strong enough to be perceived over the Nitram Apr 2019 #31
No they do not. There has been a clear pattern of abuse of power by individual cops and Nitram Apr 2019 #27
None of which is the least bit relevant to the point I'm making about broad-brush thinking. N/T Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #30
I'll give you points for repetition, tenacity, and consistency. But none for being open-minded to Nitram Apr 2019 #32
BLM is not being held Sgent Apr 2019 #18
How are you to determine this? Main roads have long been a place for protest. Humanist_Activist Apr 2019 #15
If he can sue BLM, then BLM should be able to sue the police force for each murder of an unarmed Nitram Apr 2019 #8
The Circuit Sgent Apr 2019 #17
Well individual police officers should be sued for their own misconduct, thats only fair, right? Nt Humanist_Activist Apr 2019 #22
Should have sued MLK for Selma crazytown Apr 2019 #20
That precedent should be bad for Rump and his white rights fans. Mc Mike Apr 2019 #26
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