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Denzil_DC

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40. There are lots of components an independent state needs that Scotland already has.
Mon Dec 16, 2019, 10:53 PM
Dec 2019

It has its own judicial system, its own police and fire service, its own National Health Service (which pre-dates that in the rest of the UK) and its own educational system. It'll have its own national investment bank next year, so a central bank isn't an outlandish prospect.

We were promised so many things in the run-up to the first independence referendum, including the chance to "lead" the UK, and few of them survived the vote and the Smith Commission that followed it, so we're unlikely to buy anything Johnson promises even if he's rash enough to try. Far from it, we're in danger of having powers stripped from our parliament. I don't think he'd be stupid enough to try to abolish the Scottish Parliament outright, and there's political capital in choking off funding then trying to blame the Scottish government for the consequences.

The irony is that the debate around Scottish independence was incredibly extensive, even grown-up, compared to that which took place around Brexit. A White Paper was published, which was inevitably picked apart by the No campaign, many public meetings were held around the country over two years or so where the issues were debated, etc.

The Yes campaign's leaders were expected to have answers to all sorts of questions that couldn't possibly be resolved until after the vote and subsequent negotiations. All this with media that were 99% hostile to independence.

With Brexit, even at this late stage, we still don't know what the hell it is!

SCEXIT IronLionZion Dec 2019 #1
Suddenly I am thinking about Hadrian's Wall... nt DURHAM D Dec 2019 #2
There's not much left of it now canetoad Dec 2019 #6
I have never watched Braveheart - too much blood. DURHAM D Dec 2019 #11
It's probably the least accurate historical drama I've ever seen. cab67 Dec 2019 #17
This will keep out those bloody Brits and any Longshanks' descendants on DU IronLionZion Dec 2019 #12
Yeah but-the "Illegals" were much Shorter back then Stallion Dec 2019 #14
To be clear, Scots are "Brits" Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #15
Hey you... DURHAM D Dec 2019 #16
Everyone is welcome to get along in the New World IronLionZion Dec 2019 #19
More power to her and the sooner the better. MarcA Dec 2019 #3
Why do you call them hypocrites? Doodley Dec 2019 #32
So if a large chunk of the banking in the southern part of the UK keeps moving to the EU and the UK cstanleytech Dec 2019 #4
Tories seem to think manor-loving sheikhs and kleptocrats will save the British economy sandensea Dec 2019 #5
Most banking will move to Frankfurt or Zurich. roamer65 Dec 2019 #26
No surprise. I rather expect that Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #7
We're just as likely to see the Troubles return. cab67 Dec 2019 #18
Very possible NI may join the R of I. roamer65 Dec 2019 #22
This was a clear outcome of the election as now the United Kingdom/Great Britan all bit gone beachbumbob Dec 2019 #8
... Delphinus Dec 2019 #9
another win for Putinm toppling his greatest advisaries with out firing a single shot. Racism was beachbumbob Dec 2019 #10
Won't hurt Scotland a bit paleotn Dec 2019 #13
Scotland will be better off allying with the EU. roamer65 Dec 2019 #23
Give olde trump a boot in the arse. Historic NY Dec 2019 #30
Bagpipes on Edinburgh's Royal Mile, The Scots Guards appalachiablue Dec 2019 #20
I wonder if my Scottish ancestors played the bagpipes. roamer65 Dec 2019 #27
I'm making a donation to the SNP. roamer65 Dec 2019 #21
I'm sure we'd appreciate the gesture, but I'm afraid it would be illegal Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #24
If it's less than 500 pounds, it's perfectly legal. roamer65 Dec 2019 #25
Oh, OK. Missed that definition of "donation". Cool, then. n/t Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #28
English PM Johnson has revived my Scottish side. roamer65 Dec 2019 #29
Thanks. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #31
So what has to be done, legal or political for Scotland to leave the UK? mitch96 Dec 2019 #33
The current favoured method is to hold another referendum. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #34
Thanks!! clear it up for me.. mitch96 Dec 2019 #35
Indeed. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #36
I really believe the EU will offer quick entry to Scotland. roamer65 Dec 2019 #37
I'm not so sure what will happen with the EU if and when we gain independence, Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #38
I also suspect the first offer would be the EFTA, like Norway. roamer65 Dec 2019 #39
There are lots of components an independent state needs that Scotland already has. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #40
Thanks for this thoughtful post. SharonClark Dec 2019 #41
How about that? Xolodno Dec 2019 #42
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