Should we believe Tara Reade? (Reply #188)

In the discussion thread: Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And Theres Nothing Funny About It [View all]

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188. Should we believe Tara Reade?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-when-a-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-presume-she-is-telling-the-truth/2018/09/17/7718c532-badd-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html

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188 replies	Author	Time	Post
Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And Theres Nothing Funny About It [View all]	oberliner	Nov 2017	OP
Oh CRAP!	PearliePoo2	Nov 2017	#1
See...	FarPoint	Nov 2017	#89
Sen. Franken	Boilingpots	Nov 2017	#92
The problem being, a lot of these incidents occurred a long time ago	GatoGordo	Nov 2017	#110
Accuser is lying, this much we now know.	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2017	#113
no no no no no no no no no!	samnsara	Nov 2017	#2
Accuser is lying, this much we now know.	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2017	#114
If we believe the women who have accused Trump and Moore we also have to believe this woman.	nycbos	Nov 2017	#3
Accuser is lying, this much we now know.	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2017	#115
Why the spamming?	GatoGordo	Nov 2017	#125
He's replying to the spamming.	moda253	Nov 2017	#134
Did you say the same about Moores accusers?	Oneironaut	Nov 2017	#142
Should we believe Tara Reade?	Dorn	Mar 2020	#188
As I said on another of these threads	get the red out	Nov 2017	#4
Consider the source, Leeann Tweeden	Botany	Nov 2017	#5
There's a picture. NT	enough	Nov 2017	#7
So whoever took it can conform whether it was real or part of a skit. n/t	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#30
Edit: Franken has acknowledged the photograph and apologized immediately.	George II	Nov 2017	#56
Franken already acknowledged the picture is real.	Oneironaut	Nov 2017	#146
So the picture of him doing it doesn't matter?	7962	Nov 2017	#8
The picture looked pretty much staged to me. Al was a comedian and an actor.	Botany	Nov 2017	#12
So women should only be believed if they accuse right-wingers.	Pale Blue Dot	Nov 2017	#13
No! If Al did something(s) wrong then he deserves what he gets but ....	Botany	Nov 2017	#16
The pic DOES look staged. Let's wait for his response.	DetlefK	Nov 2017	#19
It looks like a staged joke to me	Jarqui	Nov 2017	#38
Is that the pic?	Control-Z	Nov 2017	#84
This picture was taken on an aircraft of some type.	mn9driver	Nov 2017	#127
She looks asleep to me and the guys thought it would be funny.	SandyZ	Nov 2017	#156
Whoever took it can clear up whether it was real or part of a skit. nt	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#31
Yeah there's something about this that stinks.	Initech	Nov 2017	#22
I would be looking at Creative Response Concepts ... think Swift Boats for Truth .... right now	Botany	Nov 2017	#41
It doesn't pass my smell test either.	Initech	Nov 2017	#46
What in that picture tell you that it is a photoshop?	Botany	Nov 2017	#57
There is a ton wrong with this picture.	Initech	Nov 2017	#65
Agree	canetoad	Nov 2017	#95
Why mention having it open in Photoshop?	greyl	Nov 2017	#185
Did I say Photoshop?	canetoad	Nov 2017	#186
Oh brother, that's funny. Adios. nt	greyl	Nov 2017	#187
Edit: Franken has acknowledged the photograph and apologized immediately.	George II	Nov 2017	#69
Franken's not denying the photo's real.	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#72
You can also see someone behind Al.	Initech	Nov 2017	#73
Franken apologized for the photo	oberliner	Nov 2017	#102
Whew. Thanks. I hope someone informs Al of this.	ancianita	Nov 2017	#77
No, you can't. nt	greyl	Nov 2017	#184
She worked for Fox News?	rockfordfile	Nov 2017	#129
How do you know	Boilingpots	Nov 2017	#100
Oops:	Kingofalldems	Nov 2017	#103
I was hoping Franken would run for President. I am not going to hope anymore.	Le Gaucher	Nov 2017	#62
Overraction.	awesomerwb1	Nov 2017	#120
You are ashamed of being a male? A bit melodramatic don't ya think?	moda253	Nov 2017	#135
Drama much?	Botany	Nov 2017	#152
You seem absolutely crushed Le Gaucher	Dream Girl	Nov 2017	#183
Accuser is lying, this much we now know.	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2017	#116
Hold trump to the same standard ...	UpInArms	Nov 2017	#6
No	The Genealogist	Nov 2017	#9
Actually Trumpf really did do something	rockfordfile	Nov 2017	#130
YES!	Chasstev365	Nov 2017	#29
Ready for another round of Whataboutism	n2doc	Nov 2017	#10
there's a history of male comedians pulling this shit	knightmaar	Nov 2017	#11
There's a weird SNL-skit with Vanessa Bayer and Russel Brand.	DetlefK	Nov 2017	#42
Brand likely wrote that skit, because he IS creepy & a scumbag.	7962	Nov 2017	#173
Not good, but it should not be used to rationalize Roy Moore's assault of women, including grabbing	Hoyt	Nov 2017	#14
Since he's playing to the camera,	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#15
Yeah, but read the article. It's more than just that photo.	Hoyt	Nov 2017	#18
I read the article.	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#33
The question is -- what is appropriate behavior. I don't think joking about molesting women sends	Hoyt	Nov 2017	#43
There's a WITNESS -- the photographer. We need that person to tell us what happened.	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#36
According to the woman. But there's a witness in this case -- the photographer.	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#49
Would Franken do (my bold)?	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#58
So he said it was part of a skit. And the shadows makes it appear he wasn't really touching her.	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#96
Oh, for heaven's sake.	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#133
He said he didn't remember. And it's unclear from the photo whether he was touching her or hovering	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#140
What a contradictory response.	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#149
No, it's not contradictory. His apology says he doesn't remember	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#162
My reading is that he doesn't remember the "rehearsal"	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#163
I'm not making excuses. As I noted, the idea of groping a woman isn't a laughing matter,	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#164
"As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasnt. I shouldnt have done it.	lunamagica	Nov 2017	#165
Perhaps.	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#181
Accuser is lying, this much we now know.	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2017	#119
quick question	UT_democrat	Nov 2017	#126
Franken's response does not indicate she is lying. Franken's actions are not like Moore's or Trump's	Hoyt	Nov 2017	#136
What most here are not understanding is the story she is telling about him forcing himself on her	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2017	#137
I think you are missing the point.	Hoyt	Nov 2017	#138
This will be an unpopular comment	hueymahl	Nov 2017	#17
I just posted the same thing below!	Freethinker65	Nov 2017	#23
So if someone grabs my crotch while I'm sleeping,	Pale Blue Dot	Nov 2017	#24
You sleep in Kevlar and steel jammies? n/t	rzemanfl	Nov 2017	#112
If you're wearing a cup, apparently its just fine	7962	Nov 2017	#172
I would add, re comaring this to Roy Moore,	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#35
Yeah, Spacey, Weinstein, Piven, Louis CK, and Moore are all serial predators.	Initech	Nov 2017	#53
This is in response to Al Frankin going after Sessions at the hearings	katmondoo	Nov 2017	#64
My thought exactly.	orangecrush	Nov 2017	#167
There certainly is a rat.	Dawson Leery	Nov 2017	#78
Agreed. And calling this "groping" tells me this woman is full of shit.	Hassin Bin Sober	Nov 2017	#93
This would be the same people that would fall for the Russian crap.	rockfordfile	Nov 2017	#131
Honestly the picture is not all that upsetting to me	Freethinker65	Nov 2017	#20
+1 n/t	John1956PA	Nov 2017	#34
Ridiculous.	yallerdawg	Nov 2017	#21
Who would do something like that and look RIGHT into a camera?	Bengus81	Nov 2017	#25
An entitled man, that's who	Lazy Daisy	Nov 2017	#67
I, on the other hand, doubt anything said by anyone who ever was on Faux. n/t	rzemanfl	Nov 2017	#118
Anyone?	EX500rider	Nov 2017	#169
Good one. n/t	rzemanfl	Nov 2017	#170
How you look at someone constitutes assault?	moda253	Nov 2017	#147
That's fine	Lazy Daisy	Nov 2017	#155
This message was self-deleted by its author	scarletwoman	Nov 2017	#26
Although this is really bad behavior......	Little Star	Nov 2017	#27
Its a posed picture	mountain grammy	Nov 2017	#28
She's asleep	MosheFeingold	Nov 2017	#59
You sure she's asleep?	Kingofalldems	Nov 2017	#121
Rush to judge much?	moda253	Nov 2017	#148
Franken has apologized for his behavior in the photo	oberliner	Nov 2017	#104
But that doesn't mean it wasn't posed. Even if posed, it was intended to be funny, but it wasn't	lunamagica	Nov 2017	#166
Interesting thread.	Kingofalldems	Nov 2017	#32
GOP is working on their backup plan in case Jones wins AL seat.	underthematrix	Nov 2017	#37
Hmmm....comes out the day of the Republican tax SHAM vote...who'd a thunk it?	Bengus81	Nov 2017	#39
I smell a rat as well.	Kingofalldems	Nov 2017	#40
Franken apologizes after groping allegation: 'It was clearly intended to be funny but wasnt'	oberliner	Nov 2017	#106
....	Kingofalldems	Nov 2017	#107
Thank you	uppityperson	Nov 2017	#128
We had to know something along these lines was going to drop soon.	Texin	Nov 2017	#44
The picture doesn't appear to show contact. There are shadow marks visible under his hands,	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#45
Yes	PatSeg	Nov 2017	#51
SNL has always been full of edgy humor	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#52
In the context of a USO tour, it would be impossible to prove Al's intent beyond reasonable doubt,	ancianita	Nov 2017	#90
Franken needs to explain exactly what do shadows have to do with comedy!	populistdriven	Nov 2017	#97
Franken apologized for the photo	oberliner	Nov 2017	#108
The photo should be apologized for, whether or not he actually touched her. But that isn't clear.	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#117
In his statement, he takes responsibility for his actions	oberliner	Nov 2017	#141
I read it and it's a good statement. But it doesn't say he remembers exactly what transpired.	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#144
.....	Kingofalldems	Nov 2017	#123
#fakenews.	stonecutter357	Nov 2017	#47
Statement from Franken:	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#48
End of story. n/t	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#54
Unfortunately, probably not.	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#55
If it is in a script and both professional actors are aware of the script, that sounds like consent.	Gore1FL	Nov 2017	#50
People make mistakes	janterry	Nov 2017	#60
I'm sure Fox is going to turn this into an instant crisis to deflect from their Roy Moore problem.	jalan48	Nov 2017	#61
..and played (out) all day long.....	Chakaconcarne	Nov 2017	#76
And on and on, interspersed with videos of Bill Clinton hugging Monica Lewinsky.	jalan48	Nov 2017	#82
I was hoping Franken would run for President. I am not going to hope anymore.	Le Gaucher	Nov 2017	#63
Speak for yourself.	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#66
Post removed	Post removed	Nov 2017	#71
What I'm not ashamed of	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#74
Why are you taking this personally?	Le Gaucher	Nov 2017	#75
"Why are you taking this personally? This ain't about you."	mac56	Nov 2017	#79
Exactly. n/t	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#80
that was a reaction to your post.	Le Gaucher	Nov 2017	#83
A faulty reaction, when you contradict your own statement.	mac56	Nov 2017	#87
ok you win.	Le Gaucher	Nov 2017	#88
Yes he did.	emulatorloo	Nov 2017	#101
+++++++++++++ Everything	moda253	Nov 2017	#150
Because you made it personal. n/t	Mr.Bill	Nov 2017	#81
OMG, men who aren't ashamed are part of the problem????	LakeArenal	Nov 2017	#91
Because of all men she can no longer go outside except at high noon?	populistdriven	Nov 2017	#94
Dammit, Franken	Saviolo	Nov 2017	#68
Just now hit CNN news alert.....	Chakaconcarne	Nov 2017	#70
Come on people...	LakeArenal	Nov 2017	#85
It's not a fake	oberliner	Nov 2017	#145
I said he made a statement...	LakeArenal	Nov 2017	#182
And Roy Molester Moore is starting his election victory party!	4139	Nov 2017	#86
"She said"	bleedinglib	Nov 2017	#98
It's a C-17	DetroitLegalBeagle	Nov 2017	#105
Franken's statement:	emulatorloo	Nov 2017	#99
People who are claiming the photo was fake or staged will hopefully read that statement	oberliner	Nov 2017	#111
What about the photographer who says it was staged?	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#122
Yeah I saw that tweet as well	emulatorloo	Nov 2017	#124
What photographer?	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#157
So that might be fake. But there is a real photographer out there somewhere	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#158
I reckon we'd all do well to trust Franken and let him handle this in his own way.	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#159
He's asked for an investigation, so that should uncover the photographer. n/t	pnwmom	Nov 2017	#160
I think he's handling this as well as he could. n/t	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#161
That message was deleted	oberliner	Nov 2017	#179
She is a trump supporting liar, photos and those who were there prove that already.	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2017	#109
Al Franken has apologized	oberliner	Nov 2017	#139
What is she lying about, and what is your proof?	Marengo	Nov 2017	#153
Wow, replace "Franken" with "Moore" and you sound just like HIS supporters	7962	Nov 2017	#171
Clearly a joke, but horrible timing	residentcynic	Nov 2017	#132
Clearly it was sexual harrassment, and that is no joke. It wasn't/isn't funny.	GatoGordo	Nov 2017	#177
Here is Al Franken's full statement in response to this	oberliner	Nov 2017	#143
That's the Franken I assumed I knew and respected. n/t	Denzil_DC	Nov 2017	#151
The sheer hypocrisy shown here is incredible.	Oneironaut	Nov 2017	#154
Well said n/t	MosheFeingold	Nov 2017	#174
I recall the Gloria Steinem op-ed in the NYT	GatoGordo	Nov 2017	#176
two differences tho	bluestarone	Nov 2017	#168
Post removed	Post removed	Nov 2017	#175
Nice try from a known Hannity suck up Trump supporter...	Kimchijeon	Nov 2017	#178
Franken apologized for the photo	oberliner	Nov 2017	#180

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